Ten of the Best: Reflection

[crx-uk]

Firstly I want to say a big congratulations to AndyR (you really should be driving a Honda with a name like that ) for a fantastic win in the shootout.

The CRX crew you guys all cheered on last year were there returning the sentiment and rooting for you this time around.

Getting a little political, I have to agree that FWD is pretty much the poor relation at this event. As with last year, the winner of the FWD shootout received no recognition for it. I stood around for 30 mins last year expectantly and was left empty handed, and frankly disappointed, so I know how you must feel. Took the edge off it a little for me. It couldn't have escaped any of you guys notice either that we, the FWD fraternity were dumped at the arse-end of the pitlane too. Says it all really (although that did have the benefit of not havin to keep such a close eye on our tools amongst the waves of spectators)

I personally have very littly interest in the hoardes of Supras, Evos, Skylines etc. OK, I like to see the big guys coming out and running 9.XXs, but i'm far more interested in the less common stuff like the FWDs and the Westie and the Vipers etc. I suspect i'm far from in the minority here.

So in summary: Is it our turn again next year?

[GeraintUk]

said it before....

my feeling would be there would be enough interest to organise a FWD shootout.

same kind of setup as TOTB, but just FWD.

magazines "should" be interested as the majority of their readership probably does not have skylines etc and whilst they are nice to see some mega runs, the FWD boys do look pretty cacky in the same event.

stick a FWD Shootout together and then a 13.5 would be viewed as very quick, and those breaking into very low 12's and even 11s would look awesome.

Problem is........organising something like this.
It's time and money and the risk of being out of pocket is a real one as so many say they would be there, but then don't pay up.
Now if a Redline got involved, they'd get good cars to write up about, i.e real world cars (one's that anyone could look and think i could own that) and of course a good event showing off the best there is out there.

Course, what am i talking about, next time i'm in an event, i won't be in a FWD class,,,,,,,,doh !!!!!!!!!

[Chris220SDi]

Just had a look through Tom's post, and in his gallery I found this:



...which goes to show how good a car and driver AndyR and his coupe are - they just blatently out dragged the FTO

[chrisT.O.T.B.]

fwd class had the same trophies as everyone! no reason tho why we cant have a prize for the fwd shootout final, and a point we will take into next year. i thought (as others did) that the fwd class was great this year, really moved on a level.
rgds

[Clare]

fwd class had the same trophies as everyone!

Chris I completely disagree, FWD & RWD can not win as many trophies as 4WD for example.

Just look at the Handling, after qualifying you completely lose the class structure of the event, the Handling shootout is based on the 4 quickest laps not the 4 quickest laps per class. This also has an impact on the overall points for each team, how can a FWD & RWD club stand a chance of winning the team event if they can't get points from the Handling?

I feel there should be a trophy for the shootout winner in each class for both Drag and Handling.

Cheers
Clare

[Ritchie]

Chris, i think the point may have been missed, i don't think there should be another prize for winning the FWD shoot out (or any for that fact) i think that the winner of the shoot out should be the class winner (IMO thats what a shoot out is) that would then get people to start thinking a little more about relability and the like, not just feck it lets run a 200 shot of gas, so what if it over heats and blows up i'll have the fastest time of the day, chuck it on the trailer and off home i go.

[Ritchie]

Just had a look through Tom's post, and in his gallery I found this:



...which goes to show how good a car and driver AndyR and his coupe are - they just blatently out dragged the FTO

*cough* *cough* whos gallery

[mach1rob]

Chris, i think the point may have been missed, i don't think there should be another prize for winning the FWD shoot out (or any for that fact) i think that the winner of the shoot out should be the class winner (IMO thats what a shoot out is) that would then get people to start thinking a little more about relability and the like, not just feck it lets run a 200 shot of gas, so what if it over heats and blows up i'll have the fastest time of the day, chuck it on the trailer and off home i go.

HERE HERE! What's the point in having a shoot out, if, at the end of the day you walk away with nothing because someone ran 0.1 of a second quicker 4 hours earlier in the day

I really did feel for Mark and Adam last year, after all they did to achieve that result, they get no credit for it, bit of a kick in the crotch IMO

Excuse me while I quote from the TOTB website

Points are awarded in each of the three events overall, making it extremely difficult to score points in all events unless the car and driver are on top form on the day!

Now, to me a car that goes bang, and cannot compete in the shoot out shouldn't win just on ONE quick time. If it goes bang it's not on "top form"

I have nothing to gain or loose whoever wins, but I think it's poorly organised! The winner of the shootout should be winner of that class, they have prooved that they are consistant, and the car reliable! I for one very much doubt I'll go next year

[fluke]

Chris, i think the point may have been missed, i don't think there should be another prize for winning the FWD shoot out (or any for that fact) i think that the winner of the shoot out should be the class winner (IMO thats what a shoot out is) that would then get people to start thinking a little more about relability and the like, not just feck it lets run a 200 shot of gas, so what if it over heats and blows up i'll have the fastest time of the day, chuck it on the trailer and off home i go.

HERE HERE! What's the point in having a shoot out, if, at the end of the day you walk away with nothing because someone ran 0.1 of a second quicker 4 hours earlier in the day

I really did feel for Mark and Adam last year, after all they did to achieve that result, they get no credit for it, bit of a kick in the crotch IMO

Excuse me while I quote from the TOTB website

Points are awarded in each of the three events overall, making it extremely difficult to score points in all events unless the car and driver are on top form on the day!

Now, to me a car that goes bang, and cannot compete in the shoot out shouldn't win just on ONE quick time. If it goes bang it's not on "top form"

I have nothing to gain or loose whoever wins, but I think it's poorly organised! The winner of the shootout should be winner of that class, they have prooved that they are consistant, and the car reliable! I for one very much doubt I'll go next year

I agree 100% with the above comments.

[chrisT.O.T.B.]

disagree with some comments, you wont score points overall on all 3 events unless you have a very good all round car, like ronnies, or the fensport corrolla, which managed to score points on all 3 events. i do howver agree that some prize and trophy will be nice for the fwd shootout winner. what i also meant was that each class has 3 trophies available, all the other trophies that totb provide ie top speed, drag shootout etc can be won by any car from any class, fwd are at a natural disadvantage here by virtue of the powertrain.

final point i did not shunt the fwd cars to the far end of pitlane, it also included my own 200+ club up there (3rd overall btw!!)

what happened was the site was flooded all day saturday with torrential rain, and we couldnt mark out any areas as per previous years. hence it had to go first come basis on sunday morning. some clubs also came along saturday afternoon *(as all team reps were invited to do) and set up an area, where they wanted.
People at the other end of pitlane put themselves at a disadvantage anyway i reckon, as they have to queue back into there with a red hot car after finishing a run. if you are at the top of pitlane you pull straight back in. for next year we will issue club areas on sat afternoon, marked out on a first come basis.
cheers
chris

[Ritchie]

Chris,

Again i think the point has been missed. What I and from this post some others would like to see is these results:

1. 1/4m Class Winner FWD – Paul JOHNSON FIESTA RS TURBO 11.86s 124mph
2. 1/4m Class Winner RWD- DEE IRELAND CALDER SUPRA 10.62s 139mph
3. 1/4m Class Winner 4WD- KEITH COWIE RB MOTORSPORT R32 GTR 9.4s 156mph
4. Handling -Class Winner FWD- ADAM McQUEEN HONDA 34.66s
5. Handling -Class Winner RWD- DUNCAN COWPER DAX RUSH 31.9s
6. Handling -Class Winner 4WD- JASON HULBERT EVO 4 RS 31.74s

Being determined by the results from the shoot-outs. Therefore you have to do a good run to be in the top 4 by the end of qualifing, and then acuatally win the race.

At the moments when compared to F1, its like Alonso winning the race, but the tropie and all the respect going to Button, because he was quickest in qualifing

[180 Boy]

Lets say AndyR had of gone up against Dee in the 2 wheel drive final and Dee’s car broke on the line ???
This was quite possible as his car had problems throughout the day, and again Keith could have suffered in the same way as he did last year, there is always a chance.
All in all it was a great day, I do have one rather large complaint though, the amount of people that turned up was fantastic and will help promote this event BUT you need to find a way of separating the public from the racers, you just finish a ¼ run and try to drive back down the pit lane too queue only to find people walking in front of your car, kids running in between cars, empty cans, sharp objects, no end of things that slow you down.
I saw a R32 drive over a glass bottle in the pit lane, not good, just imagine if he choose the left hand lane to have a top speed run??
I also saw many people trying to drive with heavy clutches, this is hard work for both car and driver if the lane is full of people, what about the drivers with bonnets up to keep things cool, they aint going to see the kid run out, I think you get the picture.
Chris, this event seems to have taken off and I think safety must be paramount next year, its great that the public can share in the whole atmosphere by being close up but you have to draw a line.

Eddie

[madhaggis]

Chris,

Again i think the point has been missed. What I and from this post some others would like to see is these results:

1. 1/4m Class Winner FWD – Paul JOHNSON FIESTA RS TURBO 11.86s 124mph
2. 1/4m Class Winner RWD- DEE IRELAND CALDER SUPRA 10.62s 139mph
3. 1/4m Class Winner 4WD- KEITH COWIE RB MOTORSPORT R32 GTR 9.4s 156mph
4. Handling -Class Winner FWD- ADAM McQUEEN HONDA 34.66s
5. Handling -Class Winner RWD- DUNCAN COWPER DAX RUSH 31.9s
6. Handling -Class Winner 4WD- JASON HULBERT EVO 4 RS 31.74s

Being determined by the results from the shoot-outs. Therefore you have to do a good run to be in the top 4 by the end of qualifing, and then acuatally win the race.

At the moments when compared to F1, its like Alonso winning the race, but the tropie and all the respect going to Button, because he was quickest in qualifing

Bob

[paul220tcoupe]

said it before....

my feeling would be there would be enough interest to organise a FWD shootout.

same kind of setup as TOTB, but just FWD.

magazines "should" be interested as the majority of their readership probably does not have skylines etc and whilst they are nice to see some mega runs, the FWD boys do look pretty cacky in the same event.

stick a FWD Shootout together and then a 13.5 would be viewed as very quick, and those breaking into very low 12's and even 11s would look awesome.

Problem is........organising something like this.
It's time and money and the risk of being out of pocket is a real one as so many say they would be there, but then don't pay up.
Now if a Redline got involved, they'd get good cars to write up about, i.e real world cars (one's that anyone could look and think i could own that) and of course a good event showing off the best there is out there.

Course, what am i talking about, next time i'm in an event, i won't be in a FWD class,,,,,,,,doh !!!!!!!!!

PM me mate.

Or give me a call and see what we can think of.

ECE had 5000 people this year and can get better. Intergration with a national FWD shootout would be a good idea.

[Twin Turbo FTO]

Wel done to Andy R! Very pleased he won thro on the FWD final, that FTO was a quick car, and he just seems to get quicker with each event.

Thanks Chris, I try my best.

[Twin Turbo FTO]

12.4 wow that thing really has come on leaps and bounds.I know it was circa 370bhp@fly(320odd@wheels), did he divulge what theyve got the vr4 lump up to now?
12.4!!!! Wow, its funny but im less suprised that you ran a 12.3 than i am about an fto running a 12.4. You both mustve been so chuffed.

150 of N20 i think

100 shot of N20 + about 330 at the wheels andy has more power than I do thats why he pulled me back in 3rd and 4th gear. But it was a great day and the best man and car on the day won. I will be back quicker next year. I just hope Andy is as well.

[Neil F]

Richard,

welcome to Rovertech

It's a great car that you have there and probably like us Rover guys it's nice to prove a point with what is probably a bit of an under rated car, certainly opened my eyes

It really was the closest and most exciting race I have seen for a long time, it was anyone's race as you could tell from the reactions of the people near the start line turning to look at the christmas tree to find out the result, you just couldn't tell. Great launch btw!

I'm sure you will be back quicker next year, and we'll have to try and do the same I had a look at the power plots on your site and can imagine whats probably the next step to release even more power

Good luck with everything and if you decide to go to USC, kick donkey boy

Cheers

Neil

[Twin Turbo FTO]

the power plots on my site are a little out of date, Ive put in a new standard ECU and cleaned the fuel map up since then and running 1.1 bar of boost flat across the range.

next mods are

ive got cams ready to go in, should have gone in for TOTB but didn`t have time. Ive just picked up 2 heads to get flowed (know anywhere that will do a good job?) after that it will be going onto autronic ECU which should help all round. Ive also got a 2nd hand block that Im looking to get bored out to 2.7ltrs with forged internal. So next year will be fun. I want to fit larger turbo`s as well but I dont think they will fit under the bonnet

[Neil F]

Hi,

Richard, if you can afford the time to wait for porting have a word with Dave Andrews about the heads, www.dvapower.com

ECU should definitely make an appreciable difference, 2.7 conversion should also help, but definitely make some bigger turbos fit

Cheers

Neil

[Ti-Andy]

Loved that car!. So refreshing to see something different contesting FWD.

(know anywhere that will do a good job?)

Scholar Engines

Did a good job on mine. (bigger valves e.t.c)

Andy

[MGJohn]

I feel there should be a trophy for the shootout winner in each class for both Drag and Handling.

Cheers
Clare

Then how about a separate Rovertech.net Sponsored trophy for the FWD Shootout winner? If sufficient here contributed say a tenner (I'm ready with mine) for a nice BIG FWD shootout 'in your face' Trophy ... that would help raise the profile of the FWD shootout winner.... The BIGGER and Shinyer the trophy the better .... and that should help redress the imbalance of the FTD taking the plaudits ... and raise the appreciation profile of FWD efforts considerbly.

For a number of reasons, there's been much effective brainwashing in recent years which has produced the mindset that if it aint RWD or 4WD, it's not worth a second thought ... WRONG ... in spades.

FRONT wheel drive is REALITY for the majority of car drivers today. Those with that other mindset need their attention drawn to that.

As I said, I'm ready with my tenner ....