Barryboys joke getting a bit old now?

Post by **IrishRover** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:55 am

Well Null, the ability to make the wrong opinion sound plausible is the mark of a good debater.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:33 am

Null_Byte wrote:
Im sure they are more than happy paying someone X hundred to change a filter and some plugs on there non barry mx5s (mini dig).

Most BB members are a lot more technical than you imagine! Would that be the 200hp supercharged MX5 ?

Null_Byte wrote:I for one am happy we have a clued up member of RT on the inside as it were - ready to stamp this sort of rubbish before it gets to far

Or - am I a BB insider on RT :shock:

Seriously - there is no greater supporter of the K series then Lusso on BB - he will intelligently and accurately argue all the points in its favour - whilst admitting that the K did suffer more than its fair share of HGF's in its early years.

Mark

mach1rob · Post by **mach1rob** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:30 pm

But Mark, you must admit there are some complete numpties on there, I mean perfect example was the guy saying "is that a Lancia grille" about the standard 800 grille on the original link.

And I'm sure you wouldn't be best pleased if one of them left a card under the wiper of the CRX saying you're car is sh!te. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I agree 95% of cars there are worthy of it, but a car that is standard bar alloys and some stupid stickers, does that make it worthy?

Post by **MarkCoupe** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:28 pm

Im sorry but the Majority of people on that rediculous site are bigotted "I went to uni, read Autocar every month and now i drive an EVO 6" types. The only impression i get from it as a partial observer is that the bulk of its regular users are know nothing Imbeciles. The plain and simple fact is that although there are the odd one or two people, like you Mark, that despise barry sheds and barry lifestyle, yet still recognise the potential of certain cheapo 80s/90s vehicles that had quality engineers designing them, however most are seemingly of the opininon that if it doesnt cost 15+ grand then its crap.
I also have to say that the general consensus of the users on BB is that these "Barrys" have no life and are "Saddos" which may or may not be true. Obviously there are many different classes of society and modifing society from Tyrone on the corner with his sh!tbox Nova covered in free stickers and sprayed hubcaps up to the likes of Ron Kiddell et al. The way i see it, a bunch of people that sneak up to peoples cars in a car park to quickly take a picture or two before scurrying off to their Mondeo LX to rush home and post them on the internet are equally as sad as the stereo type Barry the users on BB imagine most car modifiers to be. Personally id rather spend my alloted car money each month on performance parts for the datsun, but ive got no problem with someone else chosing to spend their money on their car on things other than what i would do, otherwise id just be an arrogant pr!ck wouldnt i ?
The only problems i have with some car enthusiasts/modifiers is when they talk b0ll0cks and pretend they know what theyre talking about,quote silly power figures or when/if they drive dangerously.As to their taste in cars, well its the same with standard cars, alot of people think one car is rediculous that others love.I wonder how alot of the users would feel if people took pictures of their homes and posted them on the internet ripping the tripe n onions out of their miniature bird houses, or silly "water features".
To sum up i just dont understand why its any of their business.In most cases they dont even know the person who owns the car.

Just my 2penneth

Mark

Post by **IrishRover** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:04 pm

MarkCoupe wrote:however most are seemingly of the opininon that if it doesnt cost 15+ grand then its crap.

That is totally not the case.

The only problems i have with some car enthusiasts/modifiers is when they talk b0ll0cks and pretend they know what theyre talking about,quote silly power figures or when/if they drive dangerously

All of those are typical characteristics of your average Barry.

Post by **MarkCoupe** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:05 pm

IrishRover wrote:
MarkCoupe wrote:however most are seemingly of the opininon that if it doesnt cost 15+ grand then its crap.

That is totally not the case.

In my opinion, from what ive read over the past year it is.

Mark

Post by **IrishRover** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:10 pm

I'll bet you Â£50 right now, and I'm serious, if you post the following question with a poll on the discussion forum section of Barryboys (probably non-barry related) that there is at least a 90% result for NO:

If a car doesn't cost at least Â£15,000 is it crap?

[edit: I was going to change that to 99%, but I like to be sure when I bet

]

Raistlin · Post by **Raistlin** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:15 pm

Come on Colin

Bit of an obviously loaded question isn't it?

Post by **IrishRover** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:16 pm

Did I paraphrase Mark? I thought I repeated what he said verbatim.

Post by **MarkCoupe** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:18 pm

IrishRover wrote:I'll bet you Â£50 right now, and I'm serious, if you post the following question with a poll on the discussion forum section of Barryboys (probably non-barry related) that there is at least a 90% result for NO:

If a car doesn't cost at least Â£15,000 is it crap?

[edit: I was going to change that to 99%, but I like to be sure when I bet ]

Im sure thatd be the case in a poll as well.But from what ive read through all the various sections, like users cars down to SOTW it all reads as though they just have no time/respect for non top of the line cars.I know good cars can be had for under 15k, ask they guy on GTROC whos had his 805bhp BNR32 for a month now with no probs- Â£9000 straight from Japan!!

Raistlin · Post by **Raistlin** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:28 pm

IrishRover wrote:Did I paraphrase Mark? I thought I repeated what he said verbatim.

No - I believe you got it spot on Colin

Nonetheless, a question worded in such a way as a poll question, in my view, would clearly hint of things left unsaid.

Frankly, I'm not sure of a way in which such a question could be worded with the intention of making it neutral.

Bearing that in mind though, and for purely academic interest rather than as a bet, I'd be very interested in the outcome

GARY220 · Post by **GARY220** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:12 pm

I think Markcoupes post sums up how most people, me included, see the barryboys site/members

Post by **IrishRover** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:54 pm

MarkCoupe wrote:from what ive read through all the various sections, like users cars down to SOTW it all reads as though they just have no time/respect for non top of the line cars.I know good cars can be had for under 15k, ask they guy on GTROC whos had his 805bhp BNR32 for a month now with no probs- Â£9000 straight from Japan!!

Well that's not what I've read. As I say, they are car enthusiasts like us who can appreciate a good car no matter what it is. Then again, everyone there is an individual with their own opinions just like here so it's not like they all have to share the same opinion. They are quite capable of having a rational and impartial discussion about the merits and demerits of any car - more so than I can think of on any other forum. Obviously there's going to be people with certain alleigances and preferences for one marque or another - but that's why it's actually quite a good melting pot of people who just like Mark are most likely active on their own particular forum for their own cars that they own.

raistlin295 wrote:Frankly, I'm not sure of a way in which such a question could be worded with the intention of making it neutral.

How about:
Are all expensive cars good?
Are all cheap cars bad?

I'll still take that 90% bet.

Sheaf · Post by **Sheaf** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:39 pm

I have seen a fair few cars on there which may not be to everyones taste, but are modified sensibly, yet still get a lot of abuse. I get the impression that a fair few members just enjoy trying to make themselves feel big by criticising others.
This is done easier on the net. I bet these people would never say such things to people face to face.

Leaving notes under peoples windscreen is just the icing on the cake. If they feel that strongly about how a car looks, wait til the owner comes back and tell them face to face. Dont pass round notes like you're in school.

Raistlin · Post by **Raistlin** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:24 pm

How about:
Are all expensive cars good?
Are all cheap cars bad?

No - still doesn't define the nub of the question in a suitably neutral way.

Just ask the question as originally posed

I'm not betting but I'd like to see the answer

Post by **IrishRover** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:36 pm

Even if they are leading questions, do you not think that if they really were of the opinion that "if it doesnt cost 15+ grand then its crap" that they would just say so?

Also, they are indeed by and large an intelligent group of people. Don't you think they could spot a leading question and compensate for any "influence" from the way the question was posed to them?

GARY220 · Post by **GARY220** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:40 am

Is it just me who thinks this topic is getting tedious, its like a feckin tennis match. :roll:

al_roverMG · Post by **al_roverMG** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:39 am

OK dragging my soapbox out again. Now I have to hghlight something which has been said before. Now barryboys have been said to be amongst the more intillectual of us however i wish to question that. I mean it takes a basic level of intellect to appreciate that other people hold differing opinions to yourself and that your opinion is not always the correct one. So if this is the case how can the statement

"barry boys who think that superglue and some over-sized airfix kit turns an Escort 1.3 into a Performance Car"

be true?? i mean that is simply your opinion of what they are trying to do. Refering back to my comment about saxo hating most in my opinion are pure bilge but some i have seen (and very few in number) look good and the whole point of them changing the look of the car is they are young and the insurance is already crippling for their 1.1 so any engine mods would be out of the question. But off course when you put this view to them rather than being met with constructive critisism your comment is either deleted or given the he who shouts loudest wins treatment.

I have to agree with the statement of "if it cost less than 15K then barryboys think it is crap" it is simply a case of a bunch of MOSTLY (not all though as has been proven in this thread) narrowmind individuals who some hell bent on making their opinion fact rather than opinion and out and out snobery.

I think barryboys should be renamed "middle class toff wannabes with no appreciation for other peoples views"

mach1rob · Post by **mach1rob** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:53 am

al_roverMG wrote:I think barryboys should be renamed "middle class toff wannabes with no appreciation for other peoples views"

I do wonder if some of these barryboy 'keyboard warriors' would actually say what they post directly to the owners face!!??

Post by **MarkCoupe** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:42 pm

Course they wouldnt!!

C2K · Post by **C2K** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:40 pm

Depends if they have a black belt in karate doesn't it?

I bet there's as many of them that would, as wouldn't.

I'm sure people look at my GSi and ask why the fcuk I drive a modded Rover, but personally I don't give a $hite! If I think something looks w@nk, i'll say it, unless the owner looks like he could give a brick shoitehouse a run for it's money. It's usually just softass 17 year old Chavs near me though. ;P

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:52 pm

al_roverMG wrote:OK dragging my soapbox out again. Now I have to hghlight something which has been said before. Now barryboys have been said to be amongst the more intillectual of us however i wish to question that.

Watch your spelling/grammar if you are going on Barryboys Al

al_roverMG wrote:Refering back to my comment about saxo hating most in my opinion are pure bilge but some i have seen (and very few in number) look good and the whole point of them changing the look of the car is they are young and the insurance is already crippling for their 1.1 so any engine mods would be out of the question. But off course when you put this view to them rather than being met with constructive critisism your comment is either deleted or given the he who shouts loudest wins treatment.

So 17yr old barry cant afford the insurance on a 1.4
he buys an 1100 and fits 6 GRANDS WORTH of bodykit and paint to it :roll:

He then pays well over the odds if this kit and paint are actually declared to the ins company!

Might as well of bought the VTR/VTS he aspired to in the first place - because now he has a Â£1500 paxo with more weight and aerodynamic drag than a transit - but it costs as much to insure as the VTS that he really wanted!
Thats why these cars appear regularly on Ebay at silly money - It finally dawns on the owner that hes been a class 1 cobbler and that actually having more tailpipes than cylinders "might" have been a mistake!

I will continue to take the tripe n onions out of anything that is extreme - and I dont care if people know who I am.

I dont however pick on "average" cars

Mark

Post by **IrishRover** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:08 pm

al_roverMG wrote:I have to agree with the statement of "if it cost less than 15K then barryboys think it is crap"

If you are confident that this is the case, put your money where your mouth is and take my "90% challenge".

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:14 pm

ill agree with mark on that one, you see them for sale all the time, thinking theyll make money back on the paint and the kit etc...

i went out and bought a 216gti twin cam for 450quid, then got r4ped to the tune of ~2700 quid for insurance, but loved caining it

ho hum, im not a fashion victim, it was 2 tone grandad grey with 5 doors, but it was such a great car... not sure what people see in 'newer cars' they only depreciate. I gave the car away (with over 90k on the clock) and it went on (with a full service / clutch change) to complete a several thousand mile continental rally, with not so much as a hiccup. they got it upto an indicated 130mph on the german autobahn, nutters

Raistlin · Post by **Raistlin** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:20 pm

It's usually just softass 17 year old Chavs near me though. ;P

OK - so how do you know the chavs round your way have soft asses?

al_roverMG · Post by **al_roverMG** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:18 pm

well mark you know my spelling is appauling and i make no excuses for it. Doesnt make me any less inteligent though does it??

And you seem to have missed my point, maybe my reasoning was a little lacking so i will try and further it. I agree with your argument of the spending a lot more than the value of the car on making it look better and then expecting ti to apffect the market value as these people are a little missguided. What i do however argue with is the way in which a vast majority of the barryboys members seem to think that they can force their views (ie they think it is crap) upon others and then disregard others opinions. As i said at the start just because they think it is crap doesnt mean it is the case. Also if everyone did the same thing then what would be the point. The whole point of modifying a car is to be different. You do it to make it faster and others do it to make it look good and stand out from the normal euro boxs.

I like to think with my sometimes defective grasp of english i can produce a well founded argument and also take onbaord and appreciate others views but most of the members of barryboys do not even seem to be able to do this.

Post by **IrishRover** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:37 pm

al_roverMG wrote:well mark you know my spelling is appauling and i make no excuses for it. Doesnt make me any less inteligent though does it??

How do you feel about this statement: I know I don't have very good tools, but it doesn't make me any less of a mechanic, does it?

The whole point of modifying a car is to be different. You do it to make it faster and others do it to make it look good and stand out from the normal euro boxs.

Except they all end up looking the same ("that" bumper/spoiler/bonnet vent etc)

al_roverMG · Post by **al_roverMG** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:28 pm

IrishRover wrote:
al_roverMG wrote:well mark you know my spelling is appauling and i make no excuses for it. Doesnt make me any less inteligent though does it??

How do you feel about this statement: I know I don't have very good tools, but it doesn't make me any less of a mechanic, does it?

Well we cant all be as perfect as you can we irish rover?? I mean ithink that is a stupid comparison. You have no idea of my background and being honest you dont even know me. I was gonna bite my tounge but i feel that comment is a bit cutting. Now mark does know me and so is in a position to make comment about me however you are not so please keep your comments to yourself.

You can go in the "george" file of people who i nowhave a strong dislike for.

Raistlin · Post by **Raistlin** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:34 pm

play nicely boys...please

Post by **IrishRover** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:46 pm

al_roverMG wrote:
IrishRover wrote:
al_roverMG wrote:well mark you know my spelling is appauling and i make no excuses for it. Doesnt make me any less inteligent though does it??

How do you feel about this statement: I know I don't have very good tools, but it doesn't make me any less of a mechanic, does it?

Well we cant all be as perfect as you can we irish rover?? I mean ithink that is a stupid comparison. You have no idea of my background and being honest you dont even know me. I was gonna bite my tounge but i feel that comment is a bit cutting. Now mark does know me and so is in a position to make comment about me however you are not so please keep your comments to yourself.

You can go in the "george" file of people who i nowhave a strong dislike for.

Well, maybe you don't like me now because you thought I was insulting you. I deliberately didn't elaborate on the analogy and left it for you to interpret.

Here's what it means to me:
The best mechanic in the world might have a rusty pliers and a blunt screwdriver. The worst might have just bought himself a warehouse full of the best tools money can buy. So yeah, following my analogy, you can be extremely intelligent but not be good at spelling. But if you're a good mechanic you might as well use the best tools available to you. So why not do the same when it comes to expressing your thoughts/ideas/opinions?

Am I still on the blacklist?

Post by **IrishRover** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:56 pm

Here's a thread on Barryboys which shows that a car can cost significantly more than 15K and yet can still be considered "barry" by some. It also shows that the people there do not all share the same opinion and disagree (as they often do) about what is "barry". So really there is no "they".
http://www.barryboys.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18530

Grant620 · Post by **Grant620** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:15 pm

Topic's gone a bit silly now.
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