Can coupes tow?

[Adam-MGTF]

I know bubble 200s/25s and ZRs can be fit with a towing ball but can coupes?

we need a way to move our track car around really as driving to track days is not ideal, and i've allways loved coupes

im tempted by a 1.6 coupe (cheap insurance) to use over the winter (next year) and generally have as a run around for days that look too nasty to use the TF

but if they can't be fit with a tow bar im wasting my time looking for one

[harkins77]

Yeah they can be fitted with one my original homer had one fitted.

[1234dist]

But you will find the towing eyes on the same shelf as the jap plinths.

Very rare

[HA54SYM]

They will tow crap, unless you are towing a little box trailer.

Wouldn't even think of pulling a car transporter and track car, especially with a 1.6!

Get an old Volvo or the like if you want something cheap to tow with, otherwise a deceant 4x4 or Transit.

Dave

[mike88]

They will tow crap, unless you are towing a little box trailer.

Wouldn't even think of pulling a car transporter and track car, especially with a 1.6!

Get an old Volvo or the like if you want something cheap to tow with, otherwise a deceant 4x4 or Transit.

Dave

This. Not enough power or weight

[gbs100]

I have a gen rover towbar for a coupe if you need one.

[Adam-MGTF]

Thanks guys, I'm surprised it would struggle to pull 900kg mind... I'll keep looking into this... I need something cheap to insure so sadly big engined cars or 4x4s are out

[mike88]

Your licence wont cover you to tow 900kg.

[HA54SYM]

What track car do you have for 900kg including your trailer?

Dave

[Din]

Your licence wont cover you to tow 900kg.

Why on earth not...... is the trailer braked ? and what is its fully laden weight on the chassis plate ?... and how much is the unladen weight of a coupe ?

I tow a 1100kg caravan with the Ti legally with a logger licence.

EDIT, didnt read the track car bit... whatever happens a track car on a trailer is more than likely going to weigh more than a coupe.... in which case its not legal anyway as what ever you are pulling must be lighter than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle. (assumeing you took your test after 1997).

And yeah, 1.6 will not have the grunt to do it, weight and power as has already been said... but then if you go over 3.5 tons your screwed too

[Adam-MGTF]

Your licence wont cover you to tow 900kg.

my license wont tow 9kg... not legally anyway

im 24 so have to give her majesties government and some nice driving instructors about £900 to pass a test sadly

im sure i should be able to tow a trailor and drive car as long as it comes to less than 3 and a half tonne?

What track car do you have for 900kg including your trailer?

Dave

its a rough guess but I assume 150 ish KG for a small trailor

plus a ZR with no sound proofing, all the un-needed brackets out of it, heater removed, all the dash gubbins removed, and light weight bucket seats? say 700kg?

Your licence wont cover you to tow 900kg.

Why on earth not...... is the trailer braked ? and what is its fully laden weight on the chassis plate ?... and how much is the unladen weight of a coupe ?

I tow a 1100kg caravan with the Ti legally with a logger licence.

EDIT, didnt read the track car bit... whatever happens a track car on a trailer is more than likely going to weigh more than a coupe.... in which case its not legal anyway as what ever you are pulling must be lighter than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle. (assumeing you took your test after 1997).

And yeah, 1.6 will not have the grunt to do it, weight and power as has already been said... but then if you go over 3.5 tons your screwed too

thats a shame about the 1.6 bit, i never expected to go far (100 miles maybe) but if it wont get me upto 60 mph it's dangerous and so a no-go

thats why you ask these things

[Din]

The thing to be really carefull of is that its not the unladen weight of the trailer that matters... its its fully laden weight by chassis plate you have to go by... so it might be only 200 kg... but its MAM might be 2.5ton.

[mike88]

Your licence wont cover you to tow 900kg.

Why on earth not...... is the trailer braked ? and what is its fully laden weight on the chassis plate ?... and how much is the unladen weight of a coupe ?

I tow a 1100kg caravan with the Ti legally with a logger licence.

Your right..

The DVLA are so difficult... So my TI can tow 1200KG MAM.. for some reason i thought i was limited to 750kg..

Coupe turbo max tow weight is 1000kg info from here http://www.guernsey.net/~nickyc/roverinformation.html

[1234dist]

which considering 1600kg would be a good estimate for a coupe......

[mike88]

which considering 1600kg would be a good estimate for a coupe......

What?

Coupes weigh roughly 1200kg, depending on engine.

[1234dist]

for some reason i always thought 1600, my bad.

[Din]

So my TI can tow 1200KG MAM.. for some reason i thought i was limited to 750kg..

[2.2-600-VTEC]

New license can only have a 1/2ton trailer max, (500kg for those who dont know)

I know this as my wife can only just tow our trailer tent at 450kg.

Are coupes not heavier than bubble's as they have a much heavier more complicated rear suspension system?.

[Din]

New license can only have a 1/2ton trailer max, (500kg for those who dont know)

I know this as my wife can only just tow our trailer tent at 450kg.

Are coupes not heavier than bubble's as they have a much heavier more complicated rear suspension system?.

Wrong

Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM and with up to eight passenger seats

Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.

Most people (includeing the DVLA) dont seem to know this

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Dr ... G_10013073

[boing]

its a rough guess but I assume 150 ish KG for a small trailor

plus a ZR with no sound proofing, all the un-needed brackets out of it, heater removed, all the dash gubbins removed, and light weight bucket seats? say 700kg?

A light weight trailer is around 350-400kg
Car 800-850kg
Plus fuel, spare tyres and tools, ratchet straps etc

1400-1500kg total once its all loaded up

[MarkCoupe]

Youd need lexan glass, gutted fibrglass bonnet, dorrs and boot and a whole heap more to get a T16 ZR down to anywhere near 700 dude. Even with all that id guess 950. My mates 216 racer has all this and more, and has a tiny ally 1.6 engine and weighs 850.

[smithy1135]

Youd need lexan glass, gutted fibrglass bonnet, dorrs and boot and a whole heap more to get a T16 ZR down to anywhere near 700 dude. Even with all that id guess 950. My mates 216 racer has all this and more, and has a tiny ally 1.6 engine and weighs 850.

The car in question has a 1.4K in it, not a T16. His T16 has made its way to my brother's car now

[mike88]

Still wont hit 700kg.

[Adam-MGTF]

Still wont hit 700kg.

jonno weighted his (on a proper weight bridge) at sub 700... and that was without plexi windows and stuff

it's light enough that with no rear bumper on me and my bro picked the back end up (for shits and giggles as you do) with a 1/4 tank of fuel lol

i wont be towing it with a coupe peeps was just wondering

[tonyrally]

i can pick the rear of my striped zr up no problem so maybe 200kg over the rear wheels???? just as a guestimate

[2.2-600-VTEC]

New license can only have a 1/2ton trailer max, (500kg for those who dont know)

I know this as my wife can only just tow our trailer tent at 450kg.

Are coupes not heavier than bubble's as they have a much heavier more complicated rear suspension system?.

Wrong

Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM and with up to eight passenger seats

Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.

Most people (includeing the DVLA) dont seem to know this

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Dr ... G_10013073

Well you learn something new everyday, doesnt rally matter as the wife wont tow anyway and i can drive 7.5ton with trailer upto combined weight of no more than 16 tons so i always tow, the joy of being older

[Din]

Grandfather rights

[VVC MINI]

My mini weights 610kg with ally, carbon and poly gubbins fully stripped. A metro is around 720kg that spec so I imagine a Zr to be over 800kg this spec.

700kg sounds abit optimistic for a zr tbf.

[HA54SYM]

I never knew a ZR K was that light, interesting.......

Roversport Tomcat with Plastic Bonnet / Boot / Roof and some other light weight bits is min 1080kg, plus a Brian James at 500kg.

I have towed the above with a slightly heavier trailer, and no plastic parts on Tomcat with an Astra Van 1.7TDi, and it was terrible, couldn't due much above 50, and lorries would blow me everywhere, and cross wind was also a nightmare.

As said it can be done, and I see lots of Caravners with well dodgy set ups everyday in the summer, but the DVLA and police are coming down har on it now.

Dave

[boing]

I never knew a ZR K was that light, interesting.......

We will find out soon enough as I'm building a lightweight shell so I'll corner weight it. I'm also going to weigh the T16 engine as there lots of estimates about its weight but no firm figures.

[MarkCoupe]

I never knew a ZR K was that light, interesting.......

Roversport Tomcat with Plastic Bonnet / Boot / Roof and some other light weight bits is min 1080kg, plus a Brian James at 500kg.

Dave

Good example. I dont get how people lose 4-500kiligrams,from an already small light car just by doing some cheap stage 1 lightening like stripped interior, chizzled sound deadening. Im not trying to be difficult, its juts logic. Lets say its a ZR 105, so 1080kilos, i cant see what weighs 380kilos that youve removed. Anyway i digress, this thread is about towing, so my apologies, got side tracked.

[boing]

If its the same Jonno i'm thinking of, then its a lot more than basic lightning mods

Polycarb, single skin bonnet, stripped wiring looms, very light dash, no door bars or inner skin etc

[VVC MINI]

My tomcat turbo with leather etc weights 1160kg thats a firm figure. I weight all my cars it's free just go to your local weight bridge.

[Stevo135+]

Can i ask how much a Mini weighs at completely std then?
I suppose you can't really remove that much weight from a Mini, but id expect that you've removed a fair few kg what 30-40kg from yours with all those mods?

Reason i ask is that according to the factory service manual my Suzuki Alto only weighs 635kg, i can't see that being correct though, as no way can it be lighter than a Mini?

[Punx0r]

The A-series boat anchor would be the first thing to go