Rover Trains - will they ever run again? Doubt it!

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Rover Trains - will they ever run again? Doubt it!

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Having a clearout today I came across a print of "The Rover Train" which passed Gloucester up to four times daily in both directions at the height of Longbridge activity taking body panels up from Swindon in a shuttle service. It was a very frequent sight. I took this shot shortly after the train became regularly hauled by the ubiquitous Class 66s. I have far better pictures taken years before when the trains were hauled by Double-Headed Class 47s. It made a splendid sight when the wagons were new in their fresh then pre-BMW Rover corporate Maroon and Silver.

For what it's worth, I took a digital picture of this old print and here it is:

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This is the train heading south past Gloucester on the 'loop' with the empties back to Swindon.

By pure coincidence, one very foggy winter's day, I managed to get a picture of the 'last' official Class 47 hauled Rover Train just south of Cheltenham complete with large circular headboard with details of the last Class 47 hauled run. However, on one or two later occasions, I saw it again Class 47 hauled presumably when Class 66s were unavailable.

If I find some more pictures of this Rover Train I'll post them up as I know it's of interest to many transport enthusiasts. Sadly, I doubt there will ever again be such an impressive dedicated Rover Train. Like so many things, gorn forever...

Just remembered - passing over the footbridge at Wandsworth Road Railway Station South London circa 1993, I saw approaching a long freight train loaded with left hand drive Rovers and Freelanders etc. Hundreds of them all bound for Italy. Another similarly loaded train passed a little later. One train was held at the station for several minutes so I could read the labels on the wagons and new vehicle windscreens. Yes. as usual I had my camera with me and got a few shots. I'll get those out one day and post them too....
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Post by MGR_Petrolhead »

hello john, just seen you're thread on this on .org too what a coincidence, Didnt know you were a member on here....

I know fully made cars were once transported by train, seen a picture of R8 Rover 200s on a goods train before.
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Someone at work mentioned where some were stored the other day but I didn't pay much attention. I will find out.

My office is on a railway depot come museum site.

(When I say work, I mean all the others are employed as researchers I am a finishing postgraduate student looking for employment ;))
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Rovers AND trainspotting? women everywhere will be lusting after us! ;) :lol:
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calibrax wrote:Rovers AND trainspotting? women everywhere will be lusting after us! ;) :lol:
Well there is a women here, I specialise in a branch of railway engineering and computer aided engineering ;) I can tell you all sorts about railway track and Rovers :D
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Skatiechik wrote:
calibrax wrote:Rovers AND trainspotting? women everywhere will be lusting after us! ;) :lol:
Well there is a women here, I specialise in a branch of railway engineering and computer aided engineering ;) I can tell you all sorts about railway track and Rovers :D
lol... now I'm drooling ;)
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calibrax wrote:Rovers AND trainspotting? women everywhere will be lusting after us! ;) :lol:
TRAINSPOTTING!!

You'm been listening to the Clueless One again :)... An hour's detention for you and write out a hundred times:

I don't know the difference between a Transport enthusiast and a Train spotter!

I had a woman lust after me once ...it was a Tuesday ...;)
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There was one calss 47 named ROVER GROUP Quality Assured - probably as recognition of the amount of rail borne traffic.

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One of the other class 47s is in use elsewhere now.
http://86242.fotopic.net/p28926186.html
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Skatiechik wrote:One of the other class 47s is in use elsewhere now.
http://86242.fotopic.net/p28926186.html
some nice shots there :) I see some of these trains every now and again on the way to work.
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zozzie_9t9 wrote:There was one calss 47 named ROVER GROUP Quality Assured - probably as recognition of the amount of rail borne traffic.

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That picture brings back memories.

IIRC, I have a picture of the Rover Parts Train with both CL47s Rover Group and Herbert Austin in charge.

Back in the early-mid-1990s, my then very young sons enjoyed the occasional Rail trip. Terrific value with a family Rail card - the boys went anywhere for a pound each and with parents discount rail travel was exceptional value complete with Chaufeur ....
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Don't see the Swindon Pressing lorries up and down the M5/A417 either :(
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Wow, another facet to the MGJohn enigma - expert lepidopterist, raconteur, wise old motoring codger and now this! :mrgreen:

Seems like you've kept the trainspotting secret til now! Transport enthusiast does sound more socially acceptable though, especially if you think about cars instead. But now I'm wondering if I'd be able to explain why how I feel about cars is any less sad than how some people feel about trains.

I don't get the appeal of standing in a cold urban station waiting to see train number 17910 when it looks exactly like trains 1 thru 17909, but looking at the picture Skatiechik posted of the train winding through the mountain I can definitely appreicate that (I'm now replacing the picture of the 2008 Dodge Challenger with it as my desktop background).

Anyway, that is interesting John and I never knew about the Rover trains but of course thinking about it now it would have had to have had freight trains like this. I hear the freight train is much more efficient financially and environmentally friendly than road transport btw.

That is a very good photograph of a photograph. I'm very impressed in fact! But don't you have a scanner? :)
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IrishRover wrote:I hear the freight train is much more efficient financially and environmentally friendly than road transport btw.
If you live right next door to a station, maybe, 50 miles away from teh nearest track well I'm afraid you're slightly ahem buggered! :wink:
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Ah yeah I can understand that. I meant environmentally in the sense of much less use of fuel per tonne transported.

I was on holidays near Rimini in Italy for a few months a long time ago now and there was a freight train that went by sometime in the small hours of the morning like 4am and it took over 15 minutes for it to go by. It used to sound the horn for a good while too. I used to be so wrecked because it was difficult to get to sleep at night as it was so hot even at night and it was always just as I was eventually in a deep sleep that it would come trundling through the house every night like an honking earthquake.
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Then at 6am the bastards with their 3 wheel Piaggio vans would start banging and clanking and shouting at each other as they delivered fruit and whatever to the shops. Of course they would leave their scooters running while they shouted their conversations at each other.
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Im going on a train today, Oslo to Gøteborg, what a coincidence :o :)
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IrishRover wrote:Wow, another facet to the MGJohn enigma - expert lepidopterist, raconteur, wise old motoring codger and now this! :mrgreen:

Seems like you've kept the trainspotting secret til now! Transport enthusiast does sound more socially acceptable though, especially if you think about cars instead. But now I'm wondering if I'd be able to explain why how I feel about cars is any less sad than how some people feel about trains.

I don't get the appeal of standing in a cold urban station waiting to see train number 17910 when it looks exactly like trains 1 thru 17909, but looking at the picture Skatiechik posted of the train winding through the mountain I can definitely appreicate that (I'm now replacing the picture of the 2008 Dodge Challenger with it as my desktop background).

Anyway, that is interesting John and I never knew about the Rover trains but of course thinking about it now it would have had to have had freight trains like this. I hear the freight train is much more efficient financially and environmentally friendly than road transport btw.

That is a very good photograph of a photograph. I'm very impressed in fact! But don't you have a scanner? :)
Hi Colin, How's those old Irish Rovers going... :)

What's a scanner by the way? I bought one of those new fangled mobile phone thinggies the other day ...first mobile phone - hey I've arrived in the 20th Century ... make that 21st ...:)

Transports enthusiasts - the seeds of my lifelong interest in certain things were sewn by those experiences which influenced me in my early childhood days back in the 1940s and 1950s.

Growing up in impoverished Britian a few years after the end of WWII, most ordinary folks hardly had a two pennies spare to rub together so school children with even less had to look elsewhere for entertainment. Even if you had some spare cash, unless you had 'coupons' you could not even legally buy a bar of chocolate. In many towns and cities then alongside the railway lines you'd find schoolboys watching the trains go by .... free entertainment ..... and they were much more entertaining then. I clearly remember that field (now a mobile home site) alongside the High and Low level Tamworth stations full of boys playing football - dozens of them - the game stopping when something interesting passed through. Remember, there was little else to do.

When I think about that and compare it to the lifestyle of my children who in comparison had wealth and possessions far beyond my wildest dreams then, I wonder if they are better off. In some respects yes ... but, would I have swapped with them if it were possible ... no, not at all. In many respects they've missed out. However, they do have all their teeth and no fillings....:)

When my family moved to Gloucester in 1951, I was pleased to learn I had relatives who actually lived in a big house on the Aerodrome of the Gloster Aircraft Factory in Brockworth on the outskirts of the City. In fact several relatives actually worked for Gloster Aircraft Company. On visits aged about ten, along with my six year old brother, we were encouraged to go for a walk there and we soon ended up in the final assembly hangers where Gloster Javelins were being prepared for their maiden flights. I climbed up a trestle and put my arm inside a cannon hole in the leading edge of the delta wing - nearly got it stuck - but, we were not disturbed and the place was deserted. Considering this Aeroplane was the Nation's number one all weather fighter at the time - 1952 - security was non-existent. Imagine that happening today ..:) We also entered a huge corrugated barn structure tucked away in the corner of the aerodrome to discover a Gloster Gladiator in pristine condition. On another visit, that glorious little bi-plane was being prepared for a flying anniversey demonstration at Farnborough or someplace and my brother and I witnessed that 'dry run' aerobatic shakedown flight prior to the plane leaving for Farnborough. A breathtaking performance with just two little boys as spectators. Oh yes, nearly forgot. Because of its remote location and difficulty of access, a biproduct of Brockworth Aerodrome was a natural Nature reserve. There were several bird species and one rare butterfly present in the 1950s. Now it is a thriving, expanding and busy Industrial estate. I'm told one of the large complexes there produce body panels for Honda at Swindon.

I soon made some fine friends at my school in Gloucester. My classmates had not experienced such a 'funny' London accent and I was asked to talk so that they could listen to my funny east ender accent ... Communication was a whole different ballgame in those days. BBC was staffed 100% with plummy accent types unlike media today ... thank God. My junior school was right next to Gloucester Railway station. Refurbished Locomotives Ex-Works were put on 'running in' duties for the short trip to Gloucester from Swindon. They would wait on the London Road Railway Bridge in full view of the school playground for a few minutes before reversing to the Horton Road sheds where they were turned on the turntable. Swindon were turning out Brand New Standard Class Steam locomotives at that time too and Britannia Class on running in duties were a frequent sight. Must have seen all the Swindon Built Britannias one by one as they left Swindon. Some drivers would let you hop on the footplate for a trip up to the sheds and back.... health and safety - wossat then? ..:)

One of my new Gloucester friends told me that for 6 pence (2.5 pence currently) you can visit the Locomotive works at Swindon on a Wednesday afternoon for a guided tour. I had some of that several times. Unforgettable stuff.

So 'transport enthusiast' please young Irish fella me lad .... otherwise you may be labelled ...... car spotter ...:)

Train Spotting: To a certain extent is a harmless substitute for man's deep rooted hunting instinct.. I can understand this although in my case, rare species of wildlife satisfied that instinct in me. Still does. So, hunting down that elusive last locomotive number by devious sleuthing, exciting trespassing and not to mention travelling all over the beautiful country in the pursuit ...... is no bad thing in my books... Harmless and a nice way to get to know your own country. Plus, no Foxes, Birds or Badgers are shot or killed in the chase ... Although as a schoolboy, I did do a little 'rough shooting'. However, I got to the stage whereby everything I aimed at I hit and that soon becomes boring.

So, next time you see an anorak on a lonely platform with a notebook, be thankful he is not employed elsewhere like trying to nick your nice Rover Turbo...;)
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I have a small property in a remote part of Gloucestrshire which over the years, I'm returning to nature as a small Nature Reserve. Very successful so far. I have observed the following birds of prey there...the field is alive with wood mice, rabbits, moles and lots of other stuff.

Kestrel, Sparrow Hawk, Buzzard, (frequently - every visit) Hobby (twice in 15 years) Barn Owl (once this year only) Tawny Owl (occasionally) and best of all a Goshawk just the once. This appeared last year just as I was about to drive off at dusk late one fine summer's evening after a day working there. I doubt it would have showed had I not been in the car. I watched it fly along the over grown headgerow and scrubby bushes then perch in a large Oak Tree just fifty feet from my car. After a few few seconds it flew at speed and 'crashed' staight into a thorny thicket - viscious thorny Wild Rose, Blackthorn (Slow) and Brambles - you wouldn't want to go there! As it did so, there was an 'expolsion' of small birds which had already settled down for the night. I had no idea there were so many there. The Goshawk emerged at speed from the Thicket, singled out one of the smaller birds and both disappeared over the hedge at speed. I do not know the outcome of that hot pursuit. Fascinating stuff to watch.

I keep a watch on the skies above as there's lots of military air activity. Hawker Harriers ( not the birds - those man made out of metal and stuff ..:)) passing directly overhead most days at terrific speed. So low sometimes I could hit them with a stone. The occasional Hercules low down on hedge hopping operations ... sometime three of them - and even Miltary Helipcopters have landed in nearby field.

So, what was so special about today. Shortly after I arrived and as soon as I got out of the car on this superb late summers day, heard the unmistakeable sound of a Rolls Royce Merlin being given some welly! Whatever it was, it was too high in the sky to give it a naked eye positive ID but it did not look like a Spitfire or Hurricaine both of which I have seen overhead in the past. I had a decent pair of 10x50s in the car but by the time I got them ready, that high fast flyer was gone. An hour or two later, I again heard the sound of a well used Rolls Royce Merlin (Another Bird of Prey). This time I was ready. Better than that, the pilot was going through a series of aerobatics high up and directly overhead. My son and some of his friends had arraived meantime and we were all treated to a magnificent sight and sound of a North American Mustang in action overhead. I could clearly see the details using my 10x50s ... it even had black and white 'Battle Of Britain' livery on the wings..... The pilot hung the plane on its airscrew several times in a straight up power climb, then tipped over and dived earthbound with the Merlin at full revs...

Don't see that every day ...;)
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