PEOPLE DRIVING WITH FOG LIGHTS WHEN THEY SHOULDNT

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PEOPLE DRIVING WITH FOG LIGHTS WHEN THEY SHOULDNT

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Has anyone noticed gits drving about with fog lights or main beams on full power and just sidelights and theirrear fogs on for no reason, sometimes on a bright summers day at like 1pm!!

also bmw and merc make big X5s and cars with mega bright white or blue lights that blind every other poor sod on the road, while middle class mummies are saying ‘oh yes I love my new bmw is so safe for little molly and timmy I can see every car that is about to hit me 20 miles away its super what with so many people that cant drive straight these days (its cos we have gone blind with ur lights damn it!)

also it seems to be a boy racer thing and the little buggers think its cool to drive a clio with every possible light switched on

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i always have my front fogs on when driving at night.
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Front fog lights help at night now until roads as they greatly light up the kerb and help you see pot holes etc.
Also, I have found that I only get blinded by over-bright or badly adjusted headlights, rather than fog lights as fog lights point to the ground more than headlights.

However, I have seen people driving round during the day with the lights on for no reason, which is rather stupid....
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It is illegal to drive with your fogs on day or night unless visibility necessitates their use. It is inconsiderate drivers who basically don't care that it can 'blind' on coming traffic. The fines imposed by cops should be increased :twisted:
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isn't night poor visibility then? :?
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i dont think anyone should get done by cops for it :o i just think if the lights on your car are wrongly positioned / damaged/ or unsuitable you shouldnt use them and annoy other traffic :D
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ADSVVCCOUPE wrote:i always have my front fogs on when driving at night.


Sorry but WHY????

It is not only anoying to other drivers, but i am pretty sure it is illegal.

Granted if it is a foggy night use them (hence the name 'fog light') There is nothing more annoying IMO than another driver flying up behind you with his fogs glareing at you, or also when driving down well lit roads with no need for them.

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ADSVVCCOUPE wrote:isn't night poor visibility then? :?


:roll: That's what headlights are for.
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ADSVVCCOUPE wrote:i always have my front fogs on when driving at night.


Sorry but WHY????

It is not only anoying to other drivers, but i am pretty sure it is illegal.

Granted if it is a foggy night use them (hence the name 'fog light') There is nothing more annoying IMO than another driver flying up behind you with his fogs glareing at you, or also when driving down well lit roads with no need for them.

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Post by ADSVVCCOUPE »

as mentioned before they only glare when they are in the wrong position.
i personaly dont think anything of other people with fog lights on.
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Aren't all fog lights aimed at the ground though?
I thought the whole point of the fog lights was that they are aimed low so you dont get the light reflecting back at you in fog like you do with full beam.
If this is the case, then how can they blind you?
Mine certainly are, that's why they light up the kerb so well.

Like I said, I've never been blinded by fog lights, maybe the lights 6" above them, but not the fog lights.

Also, I only ever use fog lights in non foggy situations on unlit Devon country roads where the danger of hitting a pot hole and swerving into a tree is far greater than the risk of blinding somebody with lights aimed at the kerb.
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Sheaf wrote:Aren't all fog lights aimed at the ground though?


Should be, but even if they are not, the combination of mains and fogs shining directly at me as you pass over the top of a hill toward me does blind........ on winding country lanes this can be very dangerous.

Thats the reason why there is a 55W limit per headlamp, they have tested many lighting arrangements and discovered, unsurprisingly, its the total amount of 'light' that counts, and that loosely translates to Watts, hence the limit........

Mains dipped + fogs = at least 240W

Legal limit is 110W IIRC

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fog lights can only be used if visibility is less than 10m

Anything less is illegal, and fineable.

it is bloody annoying when the glare causes you to loose all night vision, and it takes a good 10 - 15 second for it to come back...

Should increase the fine... and awareness that it's illegal.

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Post by poplar »

if you drive appropriate to the conditon of the road then there should be no need to use your fogs..unless it's foggy

people using fogs annoy the beers off because:
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Post by LondonMX »

having started this post. the only dodgy thing i tend to do is stick my sidelights on if its a grey day or early in the morning or in the middle of the evening even when i dont really need em... which i dont think is that bad really.... volvos used to have their sidelights turned on 24/7 due to the law in their country :?
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ah yes but driving lamps are a different matter! :D
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Yeah, and OT, but since you mention em;)

Back when I had my RS2000 I went crazy with the lights, as you did then:) Had 4 driving lamps, big Hella ones, when they were on it seemed a good simulation of daylight!
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i do like the square driving lamps that go in the bottom of the bumper, i think they look sexy when driving in the dusk and especially looks good when you look in you rear view mirror and all you can see are these low slung lights and two bonnet vents! (talking bout me brothers rst converts here)
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I have been told by a traffic cop, that fog lights can be used in poor visibility. Poor visibility is classed as Fog / Mist -hence the name of the lights, Snow and rain. If it is raining you can have your fog lights on due to the spray.

I have mine on in these conditions and on country lanes. The thing that rwally annoys me is people who drive with sidelights and fogs on , when it is pitch black

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andy stewart wrote:fog lights can only be used if visibility is less than 10m

Anything less is illegal, and fineable.

it is bloody annoying when the glare causes you to loose all night vision, and it takes a good 10 - 15 second for it to come back...

Should increase the fine... and awareness that it's illegal.

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In fact its 100m i believe.. Not that im being a smart arse or anything lol
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100m is correct
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When i was learning, I was told never to use the fogs unless visibility is below 100m
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The new cars with the 'projector' xenon HID lamps really wind me up. It seems that they come from the factory set to point directly into my eyes, and with more lumens than was previously legal. Anyone got any idea if the laws have been relaxed for these lights or something?

Also, they change colour with angle which is incredibly distracting if you have someone behind you, I keep thinking they're indicating/flashing/being a copper just 'cos I'm moving with respect to them.

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Post by vitesseturbo »

i love my DRIVING LAMPS 8) 8) i use them all the time, but thats why i put driving lamps in as they give out a straight beam which i have them positioned onto the floor as fogs give out a glare more than a beam :shock:
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People who use their foglights when they aren't needed are attention seeking fools. They should trade in and buy a Nova. People who do this are as sad as the people with washer jet led's (sorry whitburn)

The most annoying people are the d i c k h e a d s who drive with their fogs on with their sidelights. They are a dnager to themselves and other road users. The lenses on foglights are used to disperse the light over a wide angle, not over a long distance like headlights. If I see anyone doing this they get a fistful of main beam and a sharp blast of the Rover two tone fog horn.

FOGS are for FAGS
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raddogg123 wrote:People who use their foglights when they aren't needed are attention seeking fools. They should trade in and buy a Nova. People who do this are as sad as the people with washer jet led's (sorry whitburn)

The most annoying people are the d i c k h e a d s who drive with their fogs on with their sidelights. They are a dnager to themselves and other road users. The lenses on foglights are used to disperse the light over a wide angle, not over a long distance like headlights. If I see anyone doing this they get a fistful of main beam and a sharp blast of the Rover two tone fog horn.

FOGS are for FAGS


Agreed. This "need them for night vision" argument doesn't wash I'm afraid. That's what headlights are for.

800s have good full beam capabilities, great for telling these drivers how wrong they are using their fogs in clear conditions.

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Post by Skinz »

Amazing how wound up people get over a set of lights. I couldn't care less what other people do.
If I had them (which I don't), I wouldn't use them inappropriately cos I'm averse to parting with hard earned cash for crappy fines.
If other people wish to do so, then fine, they're not causing me any inconvenience in so doing.
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The point is that's it is illegal to use them when visibility isn't reduced. It's like saying it's okay to speed if it doesn't cause you any inconvenience or it's okay to drive without insurance, etc, etc. The law is there for a reason whether you like it or not and if people are going to post here saying that they are quite happy to openly disregard the law, then they are going to have to expect to be flamed.
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Post by sysdump »

I think fogs with side lights looks cool!! :roll:

I used to have driving lights which I wired into the side lights, but got p1ssed off with people flashing me even though they pointed directly to the ground - so I changed them to come on main beam only and added some LED bolt lights!!

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Except occasionally and only briefly during some foggy conditions, usually at night, I have NEVER used the so called front fog lights (driving lights?) on my R220 Turbo Coupe or other cars that have them. If you need them to see kerbs and potholes etc under non-fog conditions then you have what is known down London way as dodgy minces!!!!

By the way - why have I put them on during bright sunshine .... It's a BMW dummy...... you think I'm kidding .... good grief!!

Another thing, during really foggy conditions, why do some drivers use FULL BEAM.... all this does is reflect back off the moisture droplets which make up the fog ...... Never in a millyon years will I understand why some do that ...... clueless. Unless they're so poorly sighted that it makes no difference anyway and are driving by sense of touch or smell .. bump bump - Oh that's the kerb .... :( .....:D

AND yet another thing, why at night nowadays do oncoming drivers only dip their main beams AFTER they've blinded you. Back in the 1950-60s when I first learned to drive, and previously when as a child passenger in a car, no driver ever failed to dip their main beams before blinding oncoming drivers. Back then, car lights were nowhere near as powerful as they are today too so it really is not necessary to wait until you see the oncoming traffic before thinking about dipping their lights, by which time you've blinded them anyway!!!..... :( :x

Never used to be that way...... what ever next? They'll be hogging the middle and outside lanes on the Motorway next....:(
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MGJohn wrote:AND yet another thing, why at night nowadays do oncoming drivers only dip their main beams AFTER they've blinded you. Back in the 1950-60s when I first learned to drive, and previously when as a child passenger in a car, no driver ever failed to dip their main beams before blinding oncoming drivers. Back then, car lights were nowhere near as powerful as they are today too so it really is not necessary to wait until you see the oncoming traffic before thinking about dipping their lights, by which time you've blinded them anyway!!!....

I agree, you can see when a car is coming even before its rounded the corner, I always dip before I see the other car. It's just courtesy.
MGJohn wrote: They'll be hogging the middle and outside lanes on the Motorway next....:(


I was thinking the same thing...I wonder how many people here are guilty of committing both cardinal sins.
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Post by weirdjam »

In the eyes of insurance/law you should only use side lights when parked opposing traffic at night/poor visibility, instead you should drive with dipped headlights when it is less than daylight although you couldnt be prosecuted having dipped beam in daylight. Look at motorbikes be safe be seen etc. Any truckie will confirm this.....I hope!! If you were in an accicedent and you had sidelights on if the insurance found out they wouldnt pay up!
Volvos now use dipped beam or sidelights and 30% dipped.

I hate people with green/blue/red etc sidelight bulbs AND fogs on.
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Post by jameswhitburn »

Hey RADDOGG123 i dont deal with the washer jet led's , I have neons which are now at the front inside bumper and they cost unlike silly led washer jets !!

I have no fogs..... ul all b pleased to know
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jameswhitburn wrote:Hey RADDOGG123 i dont deal with the washer jet led's , I have neons which are now at the front inside bumper and they cost unlike silly led washer jets !!

I have no fogs..... ul all b pleased to know


Sorry James, I apologise for associating you with drivers with antisocial driving habits. I thought you had led's as well as neons.

ps when are you binning the neons?
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Cant be arsed to disconnect them , so il just leave em, I wil hopefully get a turbo coupe in nov so i just have to keep the old girl running lol
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