Pub measurements, what's the law.

[Deckz]

Was out at the weekend for a few with the lads (wetting the baby's head lol)
Anyway was in a small pub in a small town that I be in now and again.
Usually drink pints so never noticed before.

Mate gets a bottle of Miller (smallest bottle ever 275ml) lol clearly from a multipack box.
He told me on a previous visit he got 300ml bottle which is bad enough but 275 feck me lol

Worst thing is the owner still had the brass neck to charge £3 a bottle when obviously he got them at his local supermarket at 12 for £8

So doe anyone know the law or what can be done?
I'm near sure he can't be selling them at full price never mind selling them at all

(Ps no signs etc in the bar saying multipack bottles etc etc)

[vinny19791]

Illegal

[E_T_V]

I believe the price list must have the measurement on, i.e. pint or 1/2 or 50ml etc etc. I think one of these has to be posted somewhere visible to the public.

Not sure on the legality of resale from multi-packs (The bottles will have something printed on their label to reflect this - usually something like "Part of a multi-pack - not for individual resale"), although I don't think there is legally any reason he can't sell these unless it is part of the licensing regulations.

[Deckz]

Beer bottles don't have them marked, ie not for resale etc.

I probably wouldn't mind if he put up a sign "multi pack bottles £2" and charged 2 quid better than being a robbing rhubarb!

Was in another pub in the town away back he had wee bottles of tenets and a tenets sign 3 for a fiver.

[djwilma]

Spirits multiples Wine and draught Beer / Cider sold in half or pints have to be sold in strict measures

There is no law about the size of bottles sold, and the landlord can purchase what sizes he likes and sell them.....he can even buy them from his local offy and re-sell them. There is no law against it

However, he must have them on a price list in bar clearly marked up with size and price

Hope this help

This was the law 5 years ago when i owned a nightclub

[Punx0r]

Most all bottles come in a multi-pack Whether that is in retail-packing (what you see in the supermarket) or poly-wrapped 24 packs from the cash-and-carry or brewery.

My preference is for draft beer as I know I can't get it from the supermarket for 50p.

Anyways, the mark-up on a bottle might seem a lot, but considering all the overheads required to run the pub the landlord probably isn't making nearly as much as you think.

[SubCat001]

As long as the tariff is on display then there is no real issue. TBH he wont save anything from buying from a supermarket over wholesale.

My personal pet peeve is soft drinks. The prices are more realistic than they once were, it wasn't that long ago that a half of Cola was more than a half of beer, but they still somewhat overinflated. Soda water and lime is a classic example. One pub charge me 20p another £2.

[noonan mckane]

For one licensed premises to buy alcohol from another, whether at cost, trade or retail, and to then retail it through his own premises, IS illegal.

If you think about it, there wouldn't be any point in licensing, otherwise. The licensing laws aren't there to regulate how much profit publicans make, they're to regulate the supply of alcohol. The licensee who buys the alcohol from the brewer or warehouse must be the licensee who retails it. It's a condition of his license that he ensures (as far as is reasonable) that the alcohol is not consumed illegally. This he cannot do, if he sells it to a third party.

[Danaidh]

I must admit i dont know the law as such, but the local wateing hole i go, i get 275ml carlsberg for £2.50 (friday and sundays are £1) pints are £3.50 (friday and sundays £2.50) i do remember a time i was at a heaven site in edinburgh and they were charging £4.50 a bottle of newcastle brown ale and it was a small bottle lol.

[Punx0r]

For one licensed premises to buy alcohol from another, whether at cost, trade or retail, and to then retail it through his own premises, IS illegal.

If you think about it, there wouldn't be any point in licensing, otherwise. The licensing laws aren't there to regulate how much profit publicans make, they're to regulate the supply of alcohol. The licensee who buys the alcohol from the brewer or warehouse must be the licensee who retails it. It's a condition of his license that he ensures (as far as is reasonable) that the alcohol is not consumed illegally. This he cannot do, if he sells it to a third party.

Not heard of this one before. Surely, though, it'd the supermarket who was in breach of licence, not pub?

[djwilma]

For one licensed premises to buy alcohol from another, whether at cost, trade or retail, and to then retail it through his own premises, IS illegal.

If you think about it, there wouldn't be any point in licensing, otherwise. The licensing laws aren't there to regulate how much profit publicans make, they're to regulate the supply of alcohol. The licensee who buys the alcohol from the brewer or warehouse must be the licensee who retails it. It's a condition of his license that he ensures (as far as is reasonable) that the alcohol is not consumed illegally. This he cannot do, if he sells it to a third party.

You are having a giraffe ?

If this were true there would be no middle men from the brewery to the licencee, so there would ineffect be a monopoly for the breweries. Which there isnt.

As a licencee you are responsible for where the alcohol is consumed and sold, but not where you purchase from (albeit from a reputable source etc)

[maestrovdpt16]

maybe the confusion comes from being part of a chain and independent pubs/bars etc.

[carl747]

For one licensed premises to buy alcohol from another, whether at cost, trade or retail, and to then retail it through his own premises, IS illegal.

If you think about it, there wouldn't be any point in licensing, otherwise. The licensing laws aren't there to regulate how much profit publicans make, they're to regulate the supply of alcohol. The licensee who buys the alcohol from the brewer or warehouse must be the licensee who retails it. It's a condition of his license that he ensures (as far as is reasonable) that the alcohol is not consumed illegally. This he cannot do, if he sells it to a third party.

You are having a giraffe ?

If this were true there would be no middle men from the brewery to the licencee, so there would ineffect be a monopoly for the breweries. Which there isnt.

As a licencee you are responsible for where the alcohol is consumed and sold, but not where you purchase from (albeit from a reputable source etc)

Its a classic untrained view on the licensing act hes got

[noonan mckane]

For one licensed premises to buy alcohol from another, whether at cost, trade or retail, and to then retail it through his own premises, IS illegal.

If you think about it, there wouldn't be any point in licensing, otherwise. The licensing laws aren't there to regulate how much profit publicans make, they're to regulate the supply of alcohol. The licensee who buys the alcohol from the brewer or warehouse must be the licensee who retails it. It's a condition of his license that he ensures (as far as is reasonable) that the alcohol is not consumed illegally. This he cannot do, if he sells it to a third party.

You are having a giraffe ?

If this were true there would be no middle men from the brewery to the licencee, so there would ineffect be a monopoly for the breweries. Which there isnt.

As a licencee you are responsible for where the alcohol is consumed and sold, but not where you purchase from (albeit from a reputable source etc)

Its a classic untrained view on the licensing act hes got

You decry me, sir? How dare you. I'll have it known, I have a classic, untrained view on every act on the statute book. I'm famed about the toon for it.