vote on the EU

[southside]

This country would not operate without open borders. Look back in history, every time foreign labour helped rebuild this country. Currently we would hardly have a farming or food industry without eastern european labour.

The Tory party seem determined to turn us all into racist scumbags when the workers from the eu are either creating their own businesses or doing the jobs we deem as not good enough for us anymore.

As far as I have seem some polls are 50 50 but others do put the remain camp well ahead.

33% of our exports go abroad so if we all think we can survive without a third of our income, or we should literally gamble with that 3rd then feel free to vote out.

For me I'll be listening to the 80% of the economic industry telling us yesterday that we will be better off in Europe. In a time where many people are still suffering the effects of Tory austerity on anything to do with the poor I can't in all consciousness vote out. With a 3rd of our export income at stake I think we all know where the new cuts would fall.

If you'd like to risk the rich getting mysteriously richer, and the poor getting even poorer, and if you don't think the already increasing suicide rate isn't high enough...

Nobody has said voting out would close the borders, they just said it would be more controlled. We survived before joining the EU and we'll survive without it.

All these threats from Germany of them pulling out of the UK is rubbish. I read we are Germany's biggest export market for new cars outside of their own country, you honestly think they would lose all that income over voting out of the EU?

[maestrovdpt16]

You think they will think twice about putting a healthy levy on their sales price once we leave?

I'll repeat myself for those that didn't read it

80% of the economists in this country think leaving the EU will be bad for the economy.

It seems we are being lead into another recession when the country has hardly recovered from the last, by the people who it will damage the most!

[Marty]

This country would not operate without open borders. Look back in history, every time foreign labour helped rebuild this country. Currently we would hardly have a farming or food industry without eastern european labour.

The Tory party seem determined to turn us all into racist scumbags when the workers from the eu are either creating their own businesses or doing the jobs we deem as not good enough for us anymore.

As far as I have seem some polls are 50 50 but others do put the remain camp well ahead.

33% of our exports go abroad so if we all think we can survive without a third of our income, or we should literally gamble with that 3rd then feel free to vote out.

For me I'll be listening to the 80% of the economic industry telling us yesterday that we will be better off in Europe. In a time where many people are still suffering the effects of Tory austerity on anything to do with the poor I can't in all consciousness vote out. With a 3rd of our export income at stake I think we all know where the new cuts would fall.

If you'd like to risk the rich getting mysteriously richer, and the poor getting even poorer, and if you don't think the already increasing suicide rate isn't high enough...

Nobody has said voting out would close the borders, they just said it would be more controlled. We survived before joining the EU and we'll survive without it.

All these threats from Germany of them pulling out of the UK is rubbish. I read we are Germany's biggest export market for new cars outside of their own country, you honestly think they would lose all that income over voting out of the EU?

They clearly forgetting they lost the war they need to wind there necks in !!

[southside]

We're probably heading for another recession anyway even if we stay in.

Someone wrote a great post on Facebook last week. Talking about the future and how his kids will never be able to get on the property ladder and even renting would wipe them out and leave them skint due to the hike in rental prices. This is all down to demand from councils housing immigrants.

He also went on to something I can relate to of how he would walk around local streets only a few years ago that would all be British people but now walk the same streets and only hear a foreign language and find the local corner shop is now a Polska sklep!

I have no problem with people comming over here and working but I don't beleive a word that the in campaign are saying about immigrants pay out more in taxes that they take in benefits. Your telling me all these £3 cash in hand car washes are going through the books? Yea ok. All the money they earn over here is going back home where they buy land, build houses and become rich, I mean come on families are even entitled to claim benefits for kids back in their own country! Charity begins at home.

[maestrovdpt16]

The German economy is substantially bigger than ours and can afford to take a hit. Ours being fed by service and manufacturing looks more fragile, especially at a time when our steel industry although 'saved' (but for how long?) is being substantially stripped back and vital areas of production cut off. The fact that it is being saved by a major investment company I find worrying also, they won't have much fear of cutting jobs and buying in cheap Chinese stock, as that is what looks better on their spreadsheet.

All of this at a time when we are being told the world economy is beginning to falter, we are gambling like we have nothing to loose.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/oecd-warns- ... 1464769803

[southside]

And why has the British steel industry gone the way it has? Because there's and EU ruling that prevents the government bailing them out.

[Marty]

We should not of sold all our natural resources the government has bled it dry they bleed us dry and the immigrants are now sucking what little bit we have left.

Get out then put all those who come in on a boat and send them back...

There will then be....

More housing for British people

More jobs for brittish people

Less crime as let's be honest how many British people do you see on the wanted wall compared to foreigners on crime watch.


The problem is the "race" card gets played far to easy and the government shi ts themselves it's a joke and the sooner the brittish people actually get a backbone the better I'm only saying what the majority are thinking.

Typical example of this country two days ago a female friend of mine went into the back of another car and the bloke she hit was being very abusive to her and she called the police and they was not interested yet opposite me someone called them a "nigger" and you get 2 police cars there within 30 minutes !!!

I told the old bill it's a pitty you was not so quick when my car transported was in the he process of being stolen and you only sent one car I then had to go in as I was getting wound up.

The brittish person are the minority and given how it's going the brittish people will eventually all be gone.

Some on here may call me a Racist I'm not I've just got the balls to speak my mind instead of tip toeing round the issue like most do immigration is an issue simple as that the UK is full !!!

[maestrovdpt16]

If we want access to the open market i.e. the EU then we need to keep our borders open to all EU nationals. If you honestly think any of the remaining comments you made are worth comment then you are delusional.

All I can say is that Hitler made many similar speeches, but he waited until he was in power and his public were suitably brainwashed.

Get out then put all those who come in on a boat and send them back...

There will then be....

More housing for British people

More jobs for brittish people

Less crime as let's be honest how many British people do you see on the wanted wall compared to foreigners on crime watch.

[southside]

Says it all really

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1 ... 6&__tn__=E

[E_T_V]

And why has the British steel industry gone the way it has? Because there's and EU ruling that prevents the government bailing them out.

That is garbage. The government can offer assistance (and has I believe) but there is little appetite for doing so.

The real issues with the Steel industry is foreign subsidised steel being sold at below cost price.

However if you think exiting the EU will help that then you are very mistaken. If we do exit then I would predict I'll be picking up my P45 sooner rather than later as the economy will take a nose dive and export manufacturing trade will suddenly become a lot harder.

Indeed for those who like history the EU in part originates from EU steel and coal companies coming together (as the ECSC) to trade better as a whole than as any individual nation.

[E_T_V]

We should not of sold all our natural resources the government has bled it dry they bleed us dry and the immigrants are now sucking what little bit we have left.

Get out then put all those who come in on a boat and send them back...

There will then be....

More housing for British people

There will likely be the same number of houses - indeed probably less as generally when the economy stumbles social housing projects get put on hold or cancelled

More jobs for brittish people

Again - no. Manufacturing industries decline as exports are harder/more expensive. Service industries decline as investment will be focussed within the EU borders to gain free trade within it. So less jobs all round for whatever nationality you happen to be.

Less crime as let's be honest how many British people do you see on the wanted wall compared to foreigners on crime watch.

Its around 50:50 and that is using a guesstimate of background which is probably grossly wrong
3 of 5 in March look of "British" origin.
3 of 5 in February too look to be of "British" origin

Take a look if you don't believe me
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profile ... nted-faces

[southside]

And why has the British steel industry gone the way it has? Because there's and EU ruling that prevents the government bailing them out.

That is garbage. The government can offer assistance (and has I believe) but there is little appetite for doing so.

The real issues with the Steel industry is foreign subsidised steel being sold at below cost price.

However if you think exiting the EU will help that then you are very mistaken. If we do exit then I would predict I'll be picking up my P45 sooner rather than later as the economy will take a nose dive and export manufacturing trade will suddenly become a lot harder.

Indeed for those who like history the EU in part originates from EU steel and coal companies coming together (as the ECSC) to trade better as a whole than as any individual nation.

Not quite rubbish is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35933904

[E_T_V]

Not quite rubbish is it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35933904

Yes it is rubbish, used as evidence for the out campaign - it is severely flawed at best.

Look at the possible exceptions in your own article you quote that can be used if the government wants to - they take up about half of the article!
Take one example of defence which can legitimately be used. Much of the new aircraft carriers being constructed are made from steel we produced. Virtually every aircraft in the sky contains steel parts that we produce. The latest armour that deflects even sniper rounds - oh yes we produce that too. The bomb-proof walls and barriers surrounding the houses of parliament etc. Err you guessed it another one of our products. I could go on but readers would get even more bored.

There are tons of extra things not in that article that government can do too. Business rate relief, electricity/fuel prices, carbon tax credits, Buy British policies, low/zero rate loans for investors and there are lots more. The issue is whether the government wants to do something about it and in general it isn't that bothered.

There is lots governments can (and do) do to help business in trouble in the EU. You only need look at Lucchini in Italy if you want a directly comparable example (They are a steel maker). Lucchini has been going bust for the past 10 years yet the government helps in its various ways to keep it running and in production. Indeed they secured a buyer not too long ago to run them in the same way my bit of the steel industry has just been bought. Governments can and do intervene and find ways around state aid law (or in some cases blatently ignore it!).

[Marty]

Says it all really

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1 ... 6&__tn__=E

Need a like button sums it up

[Drew]

So there's a Welsh assembly for laws and legislation that affects Wales only because Westminster doesn't reflect Welsh life and people there...

There is also a Scottish assembly for laws answer legislation that affects Scotland only because Westminster doesn't reflect Scottish life and people there..

So how can you expect mep's in Brussels from 28 different countries to create legislation that has anything to do with the UK?

I think I counted 73 UK mep's. All getting 8k euros a month!

[maestrovdpt16]

Says it all really

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1 ... 6&__tn__=E

Need a like button sums it up

Switzerland has access to the open market, so guess what? It's borders are open to all eu nationals to wander in and out as they please.

Switzerland are also a member of etka, a pre runner to the EU. Similar to the UK they are way too small to be taken seriously by the 3 main economies of the world so have joined a collective.

You all seem to be saying we want out and are swallowing all the lies that a Tory party want you to swallow. I find it depressing you can't see what is really going on here.

The out camp have literally no credible stand point. Everything they say is opinion and can't be backed up by any facts, figures, data, Hell they can't even get anyone else to agree with them other than themselves.

I didn't know blind faith is so popular these days. I wonder why religion doesn't go into politics.

[maestrovdpt16]

You've answered your own question there Drew!

So how can you expect mep's in Brussels from 28 different countries to create legislation that has anything to do with the UK?

I think I counted 73 UK mep's. All getting 8k euros a month!

[maestrovdpt16]

So 28 member states, we have 73 mep's from a total of 776

That is just over 10%, so unless we have people that can't argue their way out of a paper bag then that is a fair shout, what representation do you think we deserve? For a notion that didn't even adopt the Euro I'd say that is pretty fierce representation!