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I'm looking for HID kits for my car... but could do with some info to help me along.

For starters, what 'k' do I need? I want them to be WHITE, not chav blue or purple...

Secondly, there seem to be many kits on t'bay for around the £70 mark. All of them from the US or China etc. I don't have any issues with ordering from abroad, but I'm wary of the stories of cheap HID kits not lasting very long.

I've always been of the opinion that things like this dont really fall into the 'quality matters' bracket as they're such a simple piece of kit. They all use the same components, but does the price(/quality?) of these components matter that much?

Keep in mind that I want HID dipped beam, full beam AND fogs, which means I'm after 3 sets of lights.

So price matters... A LOT!

But I also dont want to end up paying more in the long run because the cheap stuff breaks.

Please only reply if you can speak from experience. DIRECT experience... not 'a man down the pub' or 'my mate got some from...'....

Thanks in advance. :D
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Well I don't have any experience, but a bloke down the pub told me.

lower the K whiter they are to a point, 4700K gives you the daylightish white - 9000k is blue..higher the K less bright

HIDing foglamps - pointless, you won't be able to see jack. Infact some people say the HID on dipped is bad in fog as it tends to just light up everything opaque white.

HIDing mains - pointless, they take a while to warm up, so if you flick your mains on you could be sat there for 30 seconds waiting for them to get up to temp.

The only kits that do mains and dip HID use the same bulb for both but move the inside shield around, either via a motor or solenoid to give the different beam patterns - and the problem there is they don't always give a very accurate pattern.

In short

Leave your fogs
HID your dips
fit extra bright xenon mains.

done.
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What he said ^,just to add,I bought mine (6000K)from UK seller Jam Sport for 60 quid delivered.Had them about 6 weeks now & no problems yet.They're white with a very slight blue tint 8)
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I've got a set of 6k ones, which are supposed to be the closest to daylight available. I bought mine from china which I wouldn't do again. Try and find a uk seller. One of mine struggles to start properly in the cold weather, needs a few flicks of the switch to get it to stay on. The china sellers will make you pay postage, both ways, for any returns.

If I was going to buy some again I'd buy a Hi/low set, rather then just dipped beam.

HID's are alot easier to focus if you have projector headlights, rather than the reflector type.

In fog they can be a pain in the arse, everything just lights up white.

Also every car that you follow with them on looks like it has head gasket failure, lol, the fumes out the back look white/blue.
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munky wrote:I'm looking for HID kits for my car... but could do with some info to help me along.

For starters, what 'k' do I need? I want them to be WHITE, not chav blue or purple...

Secondly, there seem to be many kits on t'bay for around the £70 mark. All of them from the US or China etc. I don't have any issues with ordering from abroad, but I'm wary of the stories of cheap HID kits not lasting very long.

I've always been of the opinion that things like this dont really fall into the 'quality matters' bracket as they're such a simple piece of kit. They all use the same components, but does the price(/quality?) of these components matter that much?

Keep in mind that I want HID dipped beam, full beam AND fogs, which means I'm after 3 sets of lights.

So price matters... A LOT!

But I also dont want to end up paying more in the long run because the cheap stuff breaks.

Please only reply if you can speak from experience. DIRECT experience... not 'a man down the pub' or 'my mate got some from...'....

Thanks in advance. :D
4300K are the brightest and white
Anything above this will be slightly blue or purple

There is no point in getting HID main beams, infact I'd advise against it, due to the fact that they take time to warm up and don't like being "flashed" due to the way that they work.

Also not really much use getting HID's for fog lamps either as they rarely get used and more yellow lights are actually better for fog visability which is why fog lamps used to be yellow in a lot of cases. But if you get them then get the lowest colour temperature you can.

All the kits are made in china, so you pay your money and take your chance. I've got some on my 600 (h1's), some on the missus 200 (H4 Hi/Lo's), and a set waiting to be refitted to my new van (they were in my old van), again H4 (hi/lo's). All still work after 12-24 months use. Prices ranged from about £40 for H1 kits fairly recently to £80 for the earliest H4 hi/lo kits that I bought a couple of years ago.
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So its fairly unanimous that for fogs they dont work, and for main beam they dont work too...

I can understand why in both cases (now its been explained)... but my anallly retentive side is still screaming at me that all my front lights should be the same colour... I guess 'xenon' bulbs in the fogs would also be counter-productive as they would give a white light and thus not work so well in fog?

I need H7's all round but the price doesnt seem to vary much between bulb types unless you need the single bulb/twin beam type (h4's etc).
Null_Byte wrote: In short

Leave your fogs
HID your dips
fit extra bright xenon mains.

done.
do the 'xenon' mains give a white light?

i dont want to end up looking like one of the new xj jags with white dipped and yellow mains...remember, I have completely separate light units for dipped and main... I suppose I can live with yellow fogs cos I dont use them much... but I want all 4 headlights to be the same colour.
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Dude, seriously, who is going to see them?

If you are worried stick to xenons in all 4, but if you want superior light output then go for the HID's.

I'm actually surprised that BMW don't do a kit for it, I would of thought they came with a factory HID option at some point with proper projector lenses and the lot.
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they did, but its not cheap.

bmw have been using projector dipped beams since thge mid 80's... some might say they were the first to use them... others would say they already have HID'sLEGALLY installed in the projectors in their sh*tbox e30 touring but cant transfer them to their e39 because they're H1's....

Its a lot cheaper to just buy an hid kit than get a retrofit kit from bmw.



Who is going to see what?

I want the HID dipped beam because I want to see, and to blind all the other f*ckers that have them and blind me all the f*cking time... But it just seems wrong to have a nice white light from the dips but nasty old fashioned yellow from the mains...

If the xenon bulbs work well and give a white (ish) light they will do nicely.
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munky wrote:they did, but its not cheap.
Can't have it all, Cheap, Effective, Good Looking - pick any two ;)
bmw have been using projector dipped beams since thge mid 80's... some might say they were the first to use them... others would say they already have HID'sLEGALLY installed in the projectors in their sh*tbox e30 touring but cant transfer them to their e39 because they're H1's....

Its a lot cheaper to just buy an hid kit than get a retrofit kit from bmw.
Tried s/h? Scrapyards? What about the various forums?, I find it hard to believe people up and down the country aren't upgrading their lights and then stacking their cars, especially as we all know how BMW owners drive :P

An official kit is going to be so much nicer and more attractive than butchering up your current lights. That said if you just want light output, then you are going to have to take how it comes.
Who is going to see what?
Your main beams..., I know you BMW lot can't find the various light stalks for indicators and such, but you aren't driving around with main beams on all the time (just the fogs usually :P ) so nobody is going to see the light colour until you switch over to mains, by which time there will be nobody around to see it anyway (hopefully).
I want the HID dipped beam because I want to see, and to blind all the other f*ckers that have them and blind me all the f*cking time... But it just seems wrong to have a nice white light from the dips but nasty old fashioned yellow from the mains...
If they are adjusted correctly you shouldn't blind anybody, if they arn't, the coppers will pull you anyway, or it won't pass the MOT.
If the xenon bulbs work well and give a white (ish) light they will do nicely.
Higher output standard halogen bulbs should give a whiter light, I guess you could always adjust the colour temp of your HID bulbs to match your halogens, but by god you would have to be mega sad. :wink:

Just buy the damm HIDs and some superbright halogens, put them in and by happy :lol:
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Null_Byte wrote:
Just buy the damm HIDs and some superbright halogens, put them in and by happy :lol:
Jon makes a valid point tbh :)
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look... its not my fault you rover folks have conditioned yourself to accept and be happy with second best... 'they're almost the same' might be enough for you lot, but us premium marque owners want perfection, and nothing less.... (as long as its not too expensive) :P

I want 4 white headlights, end of. Tell me how.
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Actual white, or "looks white"? Most people see slightly blue tinted things as being whiter than actual white, hence why washing powder contains a small amount of blue dye.

Incidentally, sunlight is 4850K.
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erm... I dont know.

The ccfl rings claim to be 7000k, so I want the rest to match that as closely as possible.

They look white... cant say I noticed any blue from them. .
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Since all the really cool people spend a friday night on the internet reading about lightbulbs, I've found some info that might be interesting:

General technical description of automotive HIDs:

http://members.misty.com/don/d2.html

Why HIDs suck:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech ... tages.html

Why you shouldn't use HID conversion kits:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech ... sions.html
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I'm waaay to drunk and its far too late for me to click those links, but I will.... Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow... but soon...

I'm not replying because of that though, I'm replying because your opening sentence made me giggle and I thought it was worth noting... :lol:
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