Null_Byte wrote:Limecat wrote:It's not an argument Null_Byte. It is an exchange of views. However, how am I expected to have a War of wits against an unarmed man?
Ahh you must of fooled me when you started to lose again, ignored any valid points and went massively off topic in an effort to try and save face. But anyway, probably best to stay away from any sort of war - being American and all
It would be like punching a chicken or stamping on a puppy!
I think you mean, it would be like totally miss stamping on the puppy, then spend the rest of the thread moaning about how it is the wrong sort of puppy, or the wrong sort of person to stamp on the puppy or how nearly stamping on a puppy should count as stamping on a puppy, before falling over and spending 20 minutes rolling around on the ground pretending to cry - completely ignoring the fact you couldn't stamp on a puppy if you were wearing size 18 boots and standing in a field of poodles.
Just give it up already, even the football fans admit england couldn't play to save their lives. Make whatever excuses you need to justify to yourself some of the highest paid "sportsmen" in the country, once again failed to display any talent at putting a small ball in a large net.
Clutch at straws-tastic? Sorry Null_Byte, am I the one calling for the managers head when I have ZERO knowledge and ZERO interest in the sport? No. That's you. Have I made excuses? No. Infact, I think you will find I even said arguing over the second England 'goal' was academic. Sorry, are you losing your point again?
You are exactly the sort of person that is the problem with the national game, people who know NOTHING about football, whilst genuine fans have some form of dignity and restraint, albeit optimism at the same time. The genuine fans do not comment about sacking managers unless something is VERY, VERY wrong - that isn't the case here. The blow up fans, bandwagon fans and the ignorant people with no knowledge will call for a knee-jerk reaction then cry how things need to change and 'drop the big players who are playing off reputation'.
Sorry, McClaren did that, then all the fans slagged him until he brought them back.
You cannot form a discussion on a football thread as you know nothing about it. You haven't made a single point, let alone a post that would give an indication that you do. Infact, you admit you aren't bothered about it so it beggars the question of why you input your time into something you have no interest in?
Infact, my post elsewhere sums it up perfectly;
Where do we go from here? Well, if the FA had any backbone they would turn around, back their World Class manager (as his CV shows) and tell England 'fans' to grow up and stop thinking they deserve a win each time they play. I don't mean a vote of confidence in the manager, I mean a vote of disconfidence in the fans.
Threads like this show where we need to go - stop spoon feeding off the cod and chips twice please in the media? Before a ball is kicked at the World Cup they realise the turnaround since the McClaren era where they failed to even qualify for a lesser tournament with largely the same group of players and they proclaim Fabio to be God. He got them to the World Cup with a 100% win ratio (until qualification was assured!).
Then they draw the first game due to human error (the same human error that 'missed' Lampards goal etc or even Argentinas off side goal but you didn't cry about that like a mother hen did you?) and the one thereafter and suddenly all the handy andy fans start calling for the managers head, as per usual. UTTER cod and chips twice please.
Then, how-do? They win a game and all of a sudden it's game on again.
Then they lose to a team with an amazing record and it's 'Kill the Boss' again.
This thread highlights those issues in massive ways. McClaren came in, drops Campbell, Beckham, James etc as the fans requested and they were gradually all brought back, again as the fans wanted? You can't tinky winky win as the England coach due to UTTER cod and chips twice please as fans. So you now want to bin off Fabio, go back to another McClaren type so you can mirror the medias 'build them up and knock them down' mentality (it sells papers to half of the mongs on this thread no doubt), call for dropping Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney etc as they have no 'passion' (I am coming to that joke phrase too!) as things have to change, then when all of a sudden you draw a match, or god forbid lose, then it's the managers fault for not playing Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney!?!
It really pisses me off when people go on about 'playing with passion'. Please define that for me? It's danglies deluxe. Do they go off the pitch winking at each other when they lose? No. Do they look gutted and disgusted when a ball that crosses the line isn't given as a goal? Yes. Passion is something you have when you love something, if you find out your tart has been getting rodded by Leroy and you kill her then it is a crime of passion. If you flick your leg up during a game you love and have devoted your entire life to like a quiff haired faggot and the opponent goes down like Laurah at the sight of a celeb from Hollyoaks then you are scum of the Earth? Again, you cannot win.
EDIT: P.S. On that basis of the short-minded fickle England 'fan', how do you propose that ANY manager will be given enough time to blood a team involving some potentially amazing players? They can't. The public won't allow it as they are UTTER cod and chips twice please.
In the same way you might win an argument, one day, maybe. 
So any talk about fans and support is totally wasted, I simply couldn't care less.
You don't want it rammed down your throat but you keep coming back to me and others on this thread for more? Hmmm...there could be a gay joke in there somewhere? 
