Is this an M series? PICS ADDED

[piggy22]

I've just been given a 3 previous owner, J reg 820 turbo. I had a quick look under the bonnet and it's different to the T16, it has different rocker covers and manifolds.

Is it an M series? If so, would any parts be interchangable with my coupes T16? I've heard the rods and pistons can take a bit more than the 12psi the T16 ones can take?

I will post some pics when I get home

[Din]

A J plate 820 turbo will be M series yes, the rods and pistons can take in excess of 20psi
But you may find some people will burn you for it !

[piggy22]

Winner :p why would people burn my face?!

I like it but if it needs a lot doing to it then I will have to break it. Mums boyfriend was going to scrap it!

[Din]

Winner :p why would people burn my face?!

Because there is a small following of what is an extremely rare car

[mg-richard]

if the car would mot you might get near the 800-1000 needed to buy proper forgies i think.

[Crome]

photos please!

crome

[piggy22]

Hmmm, what to do

Are the pistons/rods easy interchangable? A steady 18psi would work a treat in my coupe :p

[piggy22]

photos please!

crome

Indeed! I will when I get home 2moro, I'm away for the night

[mg-richard]

i dont think they do since the compression height is all wrong plus your going standard bore with old rings probably

someone else will confirm

[piggy22]

Any idea of what would be required then?

May be a better/cheaper idea to restore it then flog it seen as though I got it for the cost of a trailer home

[BrackenFox]

Please don't break another one just to get a few more horsies out of a common coupe.

Yes, M series pistons can work damn well in a T16, think the most I've seen from a car with that combination is about 330bhp. Forgies are far, far better though - leave the M16 in the car where it belongs, there are literally only a handful left now - when I got the figures two years ago from the SMMT there were less than 30 (bizarrely equally split - 15 saloon and 15 fastback) which hadn't been declared scrapped, so I'd guess less than that are actually in a state of semi repair!

Blowby can be a big issue with M series pistons in a T, as can having to sleep with one eye open due to wondering if any of the Tickford Massif is going to break in and cook your dog.

I really want another one as some point, so please leave some left on the road for me. Ta.

[BlueRover]

Winner :p why would people burn my face?!

Because there is a small following of what is an extremely rare car

Yes, if you break it you WILL die !!

Any idea of what would be required then?
May be a better/cheaper idea to restore it then flog it seen as though I got it for the cost of a trailer home

What's wrong with it ?

[piggy22]

Well what do I do if it doesn't pass an MOT due to something really costy?!

[BlueRover]

Depends on what you call costly ? The major problem with 800s of any type is the handbrake and perhaps a balljoint or two. Then the sills might need looking at but apart from that, they're pretty strong cars (when looked after and not abused).

[piggy22]

Funny you say that: the handbrake is shagged. The back arches are a tad rusty, but it's been garaged for the last 4-5 years so not as bad as it would of been. Interiors a bit mouldy, back seats look like they have never been sat in.

[BrackenFox]

Fastback or saloon?

Also, I'll add the obligatory 'pics or gtfo'.

[piggy22]

It's got 4 doors, does that make it the saloon? What does gtfo mean??

[big_g]

It's got 4 doors, does that make it the saloon? What does gtfo mean??

GTFO = get the fcuk out

[piggy22]

I will upload them when I get home 2moro night. Hold your horses haha

[BrackenFox]

It's got 4 doors, does that make it the saloon? What does gtfo mean??

Does it have a hatchback you could fit a small village into, or a normal boot?

[piggy22]

You could fit the whole England football team into the boot and drive to a very remote lake and let it roll in and drown all of the useless gits

How rare are they?

[BrackenFox]

You could fit the whole England football team into the boot and drive to a very remote lake and let it roll in and drown all of the useless gits

I like you!

How rare are they?

Well, as I mentioned above, I contacted the SMMT to get the numbers a couple of years ago, and there were 15 saloons and 15 fastbacks left out of the original 500ish, not all of which were taxed or had an MOT.

I know personally of several that have been scrapped since then, more than likely a few on top of that, so I'd guess about ten left of each maximum now.

A rare bugger indeed - but sadly still worth stuff all financially at the moment! Mind you, prices do seem to be on the rise slowly.

[piggy22]

Well I most certainly don't want to scrap it or break it now I know that!

What if the sills are buggered like the arches are? And who would repair the thing?!

[bjrespect]

me

only in preston

[piggy22]

Price range? If both sills and arches are shagged

[bjrespect]

hmm if im to be honest never done arches only sills

but it all depends if your going to buy the replacement work panels

also heard its quite easy to set fire under the arch

but must amit my welding is geting spot on

[BlueRover]

Funny you say that: the handbrake is shagged. The back arches are a tad rusty, but it's been garaged for the last 4-5 years so not as bad as it would of been. Interiors a bit mouldy, back seats look like they have never been sat in.

The problem with the handbrake is most likely the caliper carriers where the guide pins have siezed and possibly the calipers themselves are stiff through lack of use.
Simple fix, a pair of carriers and a good dousing of WD40 on the calipers (especially the return springs which get covered in crud) and you'll most likely solve the problem.
Sills can be bought for £20 per side and the Mk1 and Mk2 are the same so supply shouldn't be a problem.

[Crome]

iv had real trouble getting sills... was only able to get the LH side, tryed lots of places
Good luck with restoring it have a look at my tickford thread, mine is getting there slowly

crome

[piggy22]

I've had a quick look at your restoration thread and it looks like a lot of work. I'm no experianced mechanic, but changing calipers and rebuilding heads are among things I can/have done. I wouldn't know where to start with regards the sills and arches though.

I'm sure that after I've washed it to get the dust off and give it a good clean I will be able to see more clearly what will be needed and get the work done by someone (maybe even an rt member) if I can't do it myself.

How would I got about starting it, bearing in mind it's been stood for about 5 years. Fuel filter, oil change maybe?

The batterys dead but I shall bump start it off my coupe no problems as the battery in that is a beauty

[syzsounds]

Get some pics up !
Any idea why it was laid up for so long ?

Check the oil and filters, Crank the engine with no king lead attached to get the oil pressure up first.
Make sure there's fresh fuel in there and good luck !!

If you need any help there's a few of us on here with Tickford experience, Well, I know which bits to save when they get broke ..

Pics damnit . Piiiiics !!

[piggy22]

My mothers boyfriend got a new car and couldn't afford to run 2 cars so he put it in the garage and just forgot about it. I'm home tonight so I will upload some pics

[Crome]

hahaha agreed pics are needed!!

Its not a hard project, think its going to take half as long to do as my coupe has taken....
so what kinda state are the sills in, engine ok?

crome

[Din]

Wheres the flipping pics then

[piggy22]

I've been away and haven't had access to a computer, I've been using my iPhone for posts on here. I will be back to put pictures up later at about tea time.

I don't suppose anyone knows any cheap ways of recovering it to my house? It's in Stockport so needs bringing up to Leeds on a truck.

[BlueRover]

Stockport you say ?
Not far from me at all.
Are you a member of green flag ? If so, wash the car so it looks like it's being used and push it down the street, give them a call and ask them to recover it "home".