englands world cup chances

[noonan mckane]

Nostradamus apparently actually said:

"...and in the TENTH year, of two thousand and odd, that same Spanish XI, perhaps with a different manager from when they won the Euros, shall sorely leather a skilful but naive young German XI who get hit on 3 breaks for 3-0...."

Nostradamus had Uruguay in the other semi however, wrecking his coupon. He stayed in that Saturday.

[Punx0r]

Go Holland!

[618ireland]

Go Holland!

Spain please €€€€€€€s involved

[Limecat]

Good morning people, long time no see.

Oh Sorry Null_Byte, what was I saying about Germany having an amazing record of reaching the semi-finals? I don't expect you to understand as you admit you don't follow football so you will try to debate it from an ignorant point of view. Likewise, I do not expect you to understand that Argentina got turned over by a 4 goal margin by Germany as you don't follow the game.

It may also interest you that Capello hasn't been sacked and rightfully so. Damn, Limecat was right AGAIN. If England had performed like I have on this thread they would have won every game 10-0.

Holland should win this, history dictates that the winner of the first semi will take the World Cup, although there is an extra day of rest for both teams over previous events.

I have stuck an outside bet on Van Bommel to get the first goal, if that comes in that is £1260 in my pocket!

Come on Holland, murder the spicks.

I hope Paul the Octopus picks Holland.

[618ireland]

I'll have €750 if Spain win the WC and €200 if D Villa ends up top scorer, best of luck with your bet too though

[Punx0r]

It may also interest you that Capello hasn't been sacked and rightfully so. Damn, Limecat was right AGAIN.

How were you right? Everything thought he should be sacked, but everyone also knew he wouldn't be. Apparently it costs £12m to get rid of someone who is incompetent.

People keep saying "it wasn't his fault, the players just didn't play right". Poppycock. What's the point of training and leadership if not making sure people do what they should?

[Limecat]

It may also interest you that Capello hasn't been sacked and rightfully so. Damn, Limecat was right AGAIN.

How were you right? Everything thought he should be sacked, but everyone also knew he wouldn't be. Apparently it costs £12m to get rid of someone who is incompetent.

People keep saying "it wasn't his fault, the players just didn't play right". Poppycock. What's the point of training and leadership if not making sure people do what they should?

I honestly do not know any genuine football fan that thinks he should have been sacked, there are people who do not follow the qualifiers and only watch the big events that do but their opinions aren't worth much as they obviously wouldn't be aware of the failure to qualify for a lesser tournament 2 years back.

The job is a joke TBH, people call for change and they got a manager that gave them that but then they weren't happy and wanted it back to how it was. That manager fails to qualify so he gets sacked. Now they get another manager who gets them to a major tournament, winning EVERY game on the way except for the last one by which time they had already qualified, scoring more goals than ANY other European team, reversing 2 defeats under the previous regime against Croatia into 2 convincing victories (one of which was in Croatia where they had NEVER lost a home match). He then loses 1 game at a World Cup, that's all 1 loss, 90 minutes, 2 halves. Then the moron blow-up fans who only appear for the big events want him out?

The sad thing is people want new blood in the team but as soon as England draw a game the press are on them like a rash, so they haven't got the time to build a team.

Blow-up England fans want instant success or complete failure, they are too narrow minded and blinkered to see the wood for the trees.

Oh and Capello actually stated he would walk away without instigating the reported £12m severance in his contract if he wasn't wanted so that points nullified too, it's not like there wouldn't be a fight for his signature from a lot of the Worlds largest clubs. Lets not forget the reigning Serie A, European Champions League and Coppa Italia winners reportedly wanted him to replace Mourinho? Never mind though eh? Some guys who only watch football on their TV every 4 years say he should go, what do these football people know?

[munky]

paul predicts spain...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... lland.html

[Punx0r]

Lots of explanations and excuses there, it's a shame that it's results that count.

[radddogg]

Lots of explanations and excuses there, it's a shame that it's results that count.

Blah blah pointless post

[radddogg]

I honestly do not know any genuine football fan that thinks he should have been sacked,

I'm a genuine football fan and I think he should be sacked, well stripped of the managers job anyway, he should be a consultant to his replacement so we see some return from the £12m over the nest 2 years

[Limecat]

Lots of explanations and excuses there, it's a shame that it's results that count.

Explanations, yes. Excuses, no. It's a knock out competition. Who do you support as a matter of interest?

There are a lot of BIG teams in the Premier League - Chelsea, Manure, Arsenal, Tottenham, Man City, Aston Villa etc. So should each of those teams sack their manager the moment they get knocked out of the League Cup/Fa Cup?

It's no different to the World Cup, a lot of BIG teams in that too - Spain, Holland, Germany, Brazil, France, Italy, England etc.

Only one team can win a knockout competition, that's the way it works.

I honestly do not know any genuine football fan that thinks he should have been sacked,

I'm a genuine football fan and I think he should be sacked, well stripped of the managers job anyway, he should be a consultant to his replacement so we see some return from the £12m over the nest 2 years

What do you base that train of thought on?

[radddogg]

What do you base that train of thought on?

He can't speak English.

[Limecat]

What do you base that train of thought on?

He can't speak English.

Steve McClaren could, he also has a crap Dutch accent, so what does that support in terms of ability?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnoP4sUV90

[TheRealStig]

What do you base that train of thought on?

He can't speak English.

Yeah but doesnt it make it worse, that he cant speak proper english and he`s a better manager than anything we have got to offer from our own country. Fact

We had a crap tournament, not because of capello but because of the knobheads who wear the shirt, not even the best manager in the world could have changed the result against germany, or linesman for that matter.

Its stupid how much money he is earning or how much it would cost to get rid of him, but at the end of the day, he`s one of the best in the world whether or not he will improve us is another matter.

Personally I`d like to have seen redknapp or hodgson but we`d probabley be saying the same thing about them in another 4 yrs time.

[radddogg]

What do you base that train of thought on?

He can't speak English.

Yeah but doesnt it make it worse, that he cant speak proper english and he`s a better manager than anything we have got to offer from our own country. Fact

We had a crap tournament, not because of capello but because of the knobheads who wear the shirt, not even the best manager in the world could have changed the result against germany, or linesman for that matter.

Its stupid how much money he is earning or how much it would cost to get rid of him, but at the end of the day, he`s one of the best in the world whether or not he will improve us is another matter.

Personally I`d like to have seen redknapp or hodgson but we`d probabley be saying the same thing about them in another 4 yrs time.

You ruined my response by mentioning Redknapp and Hodgson.

However, any manager could have had a better result than Crapello, leave Lamps or Gerrard on the bench. Hmmm I know lets play Gerrard on the left because we need to shoehorn him into the line up somehow, f#ck whether there is anyone else that can actually play left mid, yeah what a duesenberg.

[TheRealStig]

Agreed Gerrard shouldnt have been on the left, but he played pants in the centre,

Spose it was capellos fault that Rooney was sh*te too?

[Limecat]

What do you base that train of thought on?

He can't speak English.

Yeah but doesnt it make it worse, that he cant speak proper english and he`s a better manager than anything we have got to offer from our own country. Fact

We had a crap tournament, not because of capello but because of the knobheads who wear the shirt, not even the best manager in the world could have changed the result against germany, or linesman for that matter.

Its stupid how much money he is earning or how much it would cost to get rid of him, but at the end of the day, he`s one of the best in the world whether or not he will improve us is another matter.

Personally I`d like to have seen redknapp or hodgson but we`d probabley be saying the same thing about them in another 4 yrs time.

TBH, I think the only better option would be Mourinho, the guy is GOD but he wouldn't take the job, he has already said no to it before Capello.

He HAS improved the team, the facts back that up.

Redknapp can get a fair bit out of players but can often be a bit poor tactically and he cannot buy players as a National manager, he only has a pool to work with and that's it.

Hodgson, seems like a thoroughly nice guy but his record is far from great. He did an amazing job at Fulham but I honestly wouldn't want him as the National manager.

Being English does not make someone a good manager and likewise England turning up for a game does not mean they should automatically win. (I am not saying you are of that train of thought by the way!)

[astracab]

Agreed Gerrard shouldnt have been on the left, but he played pants in the centre,

Spose it was capellos fault that Rooney was sh*te too?

no roony is just sh1t full stop

[Limecat]

Agreed Gerrard shouldnt have been on the left, but he played pants in the centre,

Spose it was capellos fault that Rooney was sh*te too?

no roony is just sh1t full stop

They should have taken some 60 year old wrinkly bint for him to empty his sack in TBH! He likes a bit of Granny-banging does Rooney!

[618ireland]

In fairness the way I see it is the English national team manager has a very tough job, most of the players are playing with clubs in the top half of the premier league so as well as 40 ish premier league games most of them are involved in European competition and also the domestic cups. Now the argument that they are on loads of cash and so should be well capable of playing 2 or 3 games every week at the top of their game is fairly lame and generally bandied about by folks who genuinely have absolutely no clue at all about what an athlete physically goes through over 90 mins in a game of football at the top level along with the training which would be by no means easy (a friend of mine was an apprentice at Leeds Utd about 10 years ago and he describes it as gruelling). So anyway you assemble your squad of these top professionals who are after a fairly tough season most of them playing for different clubs and you need to establish your best starting 11 and get them all playing well together. Now one must consider that Gerrard plays great stuff with Torres for Liverpool but you have no Torres for England obviously. You also have the likes of Lampard who is similar enough to Gerrard and difficult to accomodate in the same team. Then you have Rooney who was perhaps rushed back by his club a bit too soon and he seems to be not firing 100% but there is no one of his level available to start instead of him and if you don't pick him, Rooney along with the entire nation will get in a huff. You then have the John Terry thing, bit of a feck up that is, some unrest in the camp no doubt and Terry himself probably peeved with not being captain anymore. Then there is the reality that a squad going to the World Cup with the likelyhood of Heskey, Carragher and Carrick all maybe in a starting 11 is not quite up to scratch anyway but yet there is the expectation that the World Cup may well be winnable by this team. Look at the Spanish team, the majority of the team play with the same club week in week out and are so at a huge advantage.

No doubt many flaws above but to me the English job is a poisoned chalice of sorts. Also most managers, be it in the local McDonalds or the local mutinational pharmaceutical company are thought to be fcuktards by much of the staff and in many cases wall street journal type publications. 'tis tough at the top.

[Punx0r]

Lots of explanations and excuses there, it's a shame that it's results that count.

Explanations, yes. Excuses, no. It's a knock out competition. Who do you support as a matter of interest?

Oldham FC.

They got knocked out without putting up a fight. They suck. They fail.

[Null_Byte]

Now the argument that they are on loads of cash and so should be well capable of playing 2 or 3 games every week at the top of their game is fairly lame and generally bandied about by folks who genuinely have absolutely no clue at all about what an athlete physically goes through over 90 mins in a game of football at the top level along with the training which would be by no means easy (a friend of mine was an apprentice at Leeds Utd about 10 years ago and he describes it as gruelling).

I can't really agree with this - there are lots of top quality young athletes in this country competing in sports that don't get prime time coverage, if any at all. A lot of these are equally if not more demanding then premier league football.

However not only do they go through gruelling training for little or no recognition, they often have to hold down a job (which pays an annual salary which is a fraction of a footballers weekly wage) as well to pay for their own equipment/training and/or to compete.

By comparison a pro footballer has a very easy life, even if they were playing a competitive match every day. I'd warrant there are a lot of amateur or lower league professional footballers that work a *lot* harder than Roony.

I also think it is a stretch calling them athletes, dedicated athletes do not have time for drunken parties and crashing Ferraris, they are too busy training. Did you know the average rock drummer has a higher level of fitness and stamina then a premier league footballer?

Yes I appreciate it is hard work, but so are a lot of jobs. However, if you love doing it (and one would hope they do) you should put your soul into it and take it seriously. Hell, for 100 grand a week even I would be fitter than beckham, and I’m a pie monster.

You don't have to know the first thing about football to see from their attitudes they are not hungry enough for success. They get to the premier league and they think they have made it, why work any harder? I guarantee if you paid them one hundredth of their salary and a large bonus on each game won you would see a totally different animal. Competition should be competitive.

[618ireland]

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I also think it is a stretch calling them athletes, dedicated athletes do not have time for drunken parties and crashing Ferraris, they are too busy training. Did you know the average rock drummer has a higher level of fitness and stamina then a premier league footballer?

I didn't know that about the drummers, different sort of fitness I imagine, would the drummer be able to follow Dirk Kuyt, Walcott, Rooney, Lennon etc around the pitch for 90 mins and keep up with them ? Me thinks not. If you honestly reckon it's a stretch calling Premier League players athletes you should get yourself down to your local football team and ask to train with them, by local I mean amateur typical type accountant, builder, security guard, teacher type team (half of which will be fat bastads) and see how tough their training is, then do some research on what premier league footballers get up to in training. David Haye is no doubt fitter and has more stamina than most premier league players too but after 20 mins on the wing for Man Utd or Arsenal he'd be fit to collapse.

[radddogg]

Agreed Gerrard shouldnt have been on the left, but he played pants in the centre,

Spose it was capellos fault that Rooney was sh*te too?

Yes, 4-4-2

[TheRealStig]

Agreed Gerrard shouldnt have been on the left, but he played pants in the centre,

Spose it was capellos fault that Rooney was sh*te too?

Yes, 4-4-2

O yeah forget how that makes rooney play like he`s never kicked a ball before,

Proves my point about it being the players fault and not capellos

The formation he chose "might" not have been ideal, which could have contributed to why we lost, but its the players who perform and that they did not in anyway so not only did we lose but we also played badly and that is soleley down to the players not tactics or formation

[Punx0r]

Five second google search:

analysis of a Gerrard performance against Arsenal last May showed the Liverpool player running 11.79km (seven miles, 573 yards for those who prefer things in old money) per game, with 1,070m of this at “high-intensity” pace

They are certainly fit, but certainly not top of the tree for athletes.

[Null_Byte]

I didn't know that about the drummers, different sort of fitness I imagine, would the drummer be able to follow Dirk Kuyt, Walcott, Rooney, Lennon etc around the pitch for 90 mins and keep up with them ? Me thinks not.

Maybe not, but Rooney couldn't do a U2 set either. Fitness and what you do with it are two different things.

The average Premier League player will cover just over 6 miles in the course of a 90 minute match. Jimmy Savile can do 26, whilst smoking a cigar - and he's almost dead.

The amount of exercise a Premier League footballer does in comparison to some Olympians is minimal, so yes - different kinds of fitness, and yes they are fit, but an athlete? Hmmm I don't think so. There are a lot of sports and professions that require a high fitness level equal to a footballer. I think this is all part of the problem, people believe they are really worth the money, that they really earn their position - and this goes to their heads. If you believe you are good at something, you lose the motivation to prove it.

[radddogg]

Maybe not, but Rooney couldn't do a U2 set either. Fitness and what you do with it are two different things.

The average Premier League player will cover just over 6 miles in the course of a 90 minute match. Jimmy Savile can do 26, whilst smoking a cigar - and he's almost dead.

Yeah great comparison, Jimmy Saville could play for England

Of course Rooney, couldn't do a U2 set, he's not a musician, not that Upoo are either, don't get me started on those hypocritical nonces.

Yes, 4-4-2

O yeah forget how that makes rooney play like he`s never kicked a ball before,

If you do your job a certain way day in day out, then all of a sudden you're asked to do it a different way and in competition on the world stage then you are going to get found out quickly. Maybe they could play 4-4-2 under a manager that could communicate to them, as they did under Sven (great manger for England IMO) but not when the manager speaks less English than I speak scottish.

[Limecat]

Lots of explanations and excuses there, it's a shame that it's results that count.

Explanations, yes. Excuses, no. It's a knock out competition. Who do you support as a matter of interest?

Oldham FC.

They got knocked out without putting up a fight. They suck. They fail.

That's the first post in this topic that you have made based on any truth!

[TheRealStig]

If you do your job a certain way day in day out, then all of a sudden you're asked to do it a different way and in competition on the world stage then you are going to get found out quickly. Maybe they could play 4-4-2 under a manager that could communicate to them, as they did under Sven (great manger for England IMO) but not when the manager speaks less English than I speak scottish.

How was Rooney asked to play out of position? Again how does this effect his ball control

I`m not saying Rooney has all of a sudden turned into a bad player, thats crap, what I`m saying is that the players played rubbish, regardless of tactics

[noonan mckane]

The World Cup Final is TOMORROW, you lot!

How could we still be talking about England in the World Cup?

Tomorrow? Espana, all night long. 3-1.

[jase]

British GP is on tomrowow to

At least we will that.



J

[radddogg]

what I`m saying is that the players played rubbish, regardless of tactics

We had some of the most talented players in the world, you are right they played terrible. They didn't suddenly lose all skill overnight so something made them stop playing well; tactics, team-talk, motivation, diet, training regime, missing wags, who knows. All that can be certain is that the manager was solely responsible for the preparations and failed. He has to go.

[TheRealStig]

you are right they played terrible

You`ve just proved I`m right and you know nothing. That is all