englands world cup chances

[Limecat]

what I`m saying is that the players played rubbish, regardless of tactics

We had some of the most talented players in the world, you are right they played terrible. They didn't suddenly lose all skill overnight so something made them stop playing well; tactics, team-talk, motivation, diet, training regime, missing wags, who knows. All that can be certain is that the manager was solely responsible for the preparations and failed. He has to go.

We had Ashley Cole, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard and Wayne Rooney, all are World Class on their day, all are prone to having off-days, they are human footballers, not robots. Unfortunately we had a huge number of non-World class players playing at the bottom of the top flight mainly in the last third. Even Hart played at a team that was amongst the favourites for relegation, other than that, just in terms of keepers you have James (Portsmouth) who came bottom and would have even without a point deduction, Green who just escaped relegation. Thats the worst goalkeeping line-up for England in my living memory. Forget the rest of the pitch, that alone tells a story.

[radddogg]

you are right they played terrible

You`ve just proved I`m right and you know nothing. That is all

I have said this all along???????????????????????? All your response proves is that you have no answer to my argument.

[TheRealStig]

you are right they played terrible

You`ve just proved I`m right and you know nothing. That is all

I have said this all along???????????????????????? All your response proves is that you have no answer to my argument.

How does your little mind work that out?

You said it was capellos fault and he should be sacked,

I answered that it was the players fault and he should stay.

Diet. tiredness, blah blah again this contradicts what you are saying, unless capello is a witchdoctor? Preperation? The mans been managing teams for alot longer than you`ve been talking sh*te on here, I`m sure the players were prepared but were not good enough

We do have some of the best players in the world, but we did 4 years ago and 4 years before that, Capello has worked with the best players in the world throughout his managerial career and has won something at every club he has been at.

What I will say is that he was wrong to play gerrard on the left, but that didnt result in us drawing with the US and Algeria and losing to germany, world class players have been playing out of position when needed to for years, so you cant argue that, it might have resulted in gerrard having a bad game but what about the 10 other players on the pitch and what about when he was played in the centre

Apart from Ron Greenwood, who has won anything with england?

[radddogg]

You said it was capellos fault and he should be sacked,

I answered that it was the players fault and he should stay.

Ok to sum up because its getting boring repeating myself. World class players only play poorly if there is some outside influence (otherwise they would be inconsistent at club level and would therefore not be world class). The outside influence was capello. If the players aren't up to it then I assume you are saying they are not good enough so please name the 23 players you would have taken instead? (BTW the squad selection was capellos choice).

Ok lets make a real life comparison. Liverpool. Why has Rafa been sacked and not the players?

[618ireland]

Why has Rafa been sacked and not the players?

They wouldn't have gotten rid of all of the players for 7 million for a start
(stupid answer to an equally stupid question)

[618ireland]

World class players only play poorly if there is some outside influence (otherwise they would be inconsistent at club level and would therefore not be world class).

Ronaldo didn't look world class for Portugal.

[TheRealStig]

you dont know much about football at all, all you know is what you`ve read in the sun and heard some knobhead say who changes their mind everyweek

Lol what a stupid comparison, you`ve used that because you have no answer to what ive said.

I bet £100 you was one of the people who was saying how great he was when he won the champions league at his first attempt?

Players dont get sacked, managers do regardless of who`s fault it was.

And your boring

[TheRealStig]

Why has Rafa been sacked and not the players?

They wouldn't have gotten rid of all of the players for 7 million for a start
(stupid answer to an equally stupid question)

My point exactly

[radddogg]

you dont know much about football at all, all you know is what you`ve read in the sun and heard some knobhead say who changes their mind everyweek

I don't read newspapers, I watch the news. I draw my own opinions from my experiences. Forums are about voicing opinions, if you don't like them then argue them, and if that doesn't work call me names.

Lol what a stupid comparison, you`ve used that because you have no answer to what ive said.

I've used that becaus eI wanted to prove that the manager is ultimately responsible for selection and tactics so if the team does poorly then the manager is to blame, hence why they got rid of him. Another example - Spurs were rock bottom of the league under Ramos in 2008-2009 season (he also could not speak English), Harry takes over with the same players and we qualify for the champions league. Same players. Same players. Same players.Do I need to repeat myself anymore?

I bet £100 you was one of the people who was saying how great he was when he won the champions league at his first attempt?

You owe me £100. Didn't Mourinho do that?

Players dont get sacked, managers do regardless of who`s fault it was.

See the second point^^^ and it was the managers fault, he failed to motivate, train, communicate the tactics, blah blah........

And your boring

And you smell. How childish.

Just like the childish grudge you hold since the marriage thread two years ago

[TheRealStig]

Are you serious

You obviously do, because I`ve been right on both occassions

I wasnt trying to offend you, I`m just saying i think your wrong, but you obviously have a strong oppinion and think your right so we`ll leave it at that.

But you still dont know what your on about

[TheRealStig]

You owe me £100. Didn't Mourinho do that?

Like everything else in this thread you`ve completely missed the point.

[Limecat]

Apart from Ron Greenwood, who has won anything with england?

You mean Alf Ramsey chief, Greenwood didn't win anything...

[Limecat]

Lol what a stupid comparison, you`ve used that because you have no answer to what ive said.

I've used that becaus eI wanted to prove that the manager is ultimately responsible for selection and tactics so if the team does poorly then the manager is to blame, hence why they got rid of him. Another example - Spurs were rock bottom of the league under Ramos in 2008-2009 season (he also could not speak English), Harry takes over with the same players and we qualify for the champions league. Same players. Same players. Same players.Do I need to repeat myself anymore?

That's the thing though.

Ramos, failing. Redknapp improved them, hasn't won anything using initially the same players but has the chance to buy others.

McClaren, failed. Capello improved them, hasn't won anything using the same pool of players which he is stuck with.

Sack Redknapp. Sack Redknapp. He hasn't brought the Yid army the Premier League, sack him, it's his fault!

[TheRealStig]

Apart from Ron Greenwood, who has won anything with england?

You mean Alf Ramsey chief, Greenwood didn't win anything...

I was trying to catch raddogg out

[radddogg]

Are you serious

I think so?

You obviously do, because I`ve been right on both occassions

Do what? If you're going to reply to a post at least give me a chance and quote it.

I wasnt trying to offend you, I`m just saying i think your wrong, but you obviously have a strong oppinion and think your right so we`ll leave it at that.

I didn't say you were trying to offend me, did I? Yes lets leave it at that.

But you still dont know what your on about

Attention span of a fish?

You owe me £100. Didn't Mourinho do that?

Like everything else in this thread you`ve completely missed the point.

I got the point. I hadn't paid much attention to Capello until England so only knew about his history after he took the England job, so no I wasn't jumping up and down when he won it first time. Hence you owe me £100.00

I've used that becaus eI wanted to prove that the manager is ultimately responsible for selection and tactics so if the team does poorly then the manager is to blame, hence why they got rid of him. Another example - Spurs were rock bottom of the league under Ramos in 2008-2009 season (he also could not speak English), Harry takes over with the same players and we qualify for the champions league. Same players. Same players. Same players.Do I need to repeat myself anymore?

That's the thing though.

Ramos, failing. Redknapp improved them, hasn't won anything using initially the same players but has the chance to buy others.

McClaren, failed. Capello improved them, hasn't won anything using the same pool of players which he is stuck with.

Sack Redknapp. Sack Redknapp. He hasn't brought the Yid army the Premier League, sack him, it's his fault!

Now you're being stupid. You know what I meant, spurs couldn't win a game then turned into a top four team with the same players. Win the league? Numpty. The point I was making - as you very well know - was that the players were playing crap because of the manager and now they play good because of the new manager - just like England.

Apart from Ron Greenwood, who has won anything with england?

You mean Alf Ramsey chief, Greenwood didn't win anything...

I was trying to catch raddogg out

BS you just showed that you know f##k all about football.

If you are going to continue this debate can you please raise your game?

[TheRealStig]

Attention span of a fish?

Do what? If you're going to reply to a post at least give me a chance and quote it.

Because you said that I held a grudge with you, I dont, I do think your a fool though and your views are all tunnel vision

BS you just showed that you know f##k all about football.

If you are going to continue this debate can you please raise your game?

Raise my game in a debate with you...

If it wasnt done on purpose and you know then why didnt you correct me? You like your multi-quotes

Like everything else in this thread you`ve completely missed the point.
I got the point. I hadn't paid much attention to Capello until England so only knew about his history after he took the England job, so no I wasn't jumping up and down when he won it first time. Hence you owe me £100.00

You clearly didnt get the point, like I said, infact now I know you dont have a clue what your talking about
Who was talking about capello
You mentioned benitez being sacked, so I said I bet you £100 when he won the champions league you would have jumped on the bandwagon and said how great he is.

Did you get lost because of the lack of quotations?

Raddogg has the attention span of a fish

[radddogg]

Like everything else in this thread you`ve completely missed the point.
I got the point. I hadn't paid much attention to Capello until England so only knew about his history after he took the England job, so no I wasn't jumping up and down when he won it first time. Hence you owe me £100.00

You clearly didnt get the point, like I said, infact now I know you dont have a clue what your talking about
Who was talking about capello
You mentioned benitez being sacked, so I said I bet you £100 when he won the champions league you would have jumped on the bandwagon and said how great he is.

Did you get lost because of the lack of quotations?

Actually, yes I did, you never mentioned anyone's name so I assumed you were posting about the content of the thread i.e. England/Capello. You're right, I like multi-quotes as it makes my points clear.

Raddogg has the attention span of a fish

I never wrote that, you're* resorting to making things up now.





*(that's how you spell it)

[618ireland]

Raddogg has the attention span of a fish

I never wrote that, you're* resorting to making things up now.


*(that's how you spell it)

Correcting spelling mistakes is a tad retarded though, Dicky Moss style

[radddogg]

It wasn't the first time TBF. Who's Dicky Moss? Sounds like a top bloke

[vfr16v]

We are 2th of the world

[618ireland]

We are 2th of the world

Thanks to a clanger by the Brazilian keeper ye are World Cup 2010 runners up
Doubt if FIFA will rank ye at number two though

[vfr16v]

I didn't see even one match. While they are playing this evening i was working in my garage.
It is just a game, some people are crying, throwing glasses with beer, are fighting. Can't imagine that people do that stupid things because a game... anyway, thanks to Trevor and all the others who supported us.

one advantage, no vuvuzela's anymore.

[618ireland]

Just a game indeed.

[Limecat]

I've used that becaus eI wanted to prove that the manager is ultimately responsible for selection and tactics so if the team does poorly then the manager is to blame, hence why they got rid of him. Another example - Spurs were rock bottom of the league under Ramos in 2008-2009 season (he also could not speak English), Harry takes over with the same players and we qualify for the champions league. Same players. Same players. Same players.Do I need to repeat myself anymore?

That's the thing though.

Ramos, failing. Redknapp improved them, hasn't won anything using initially the same players but has the chance to buy others.

McClaren, failed. Capello improved them, hasn't won anything using the same pool of players which he is stuck with.

Sack Redknapp. Sack Redknapp. He hasn't brought the Yid army the Premier League, sack him, it's his fault!

Now you're being stupid. You know what I meant, spurs couldn't win a game then turned into a top four team with the same players. Win the league? Numpty. The point I was making - as you very well know - was that the players were playing crap because of the manager and now they play good because of the new manager - just like England.

Yes, I know what you meant. You made the point that the manager has improved the team, just as I have done throughout this thread about Capello.

You used an example which further substantiates what I am saying, in both examples we are looking at VERY similar timescales in terms of time in the job but Redknapp has the virtue of more games and the ability to buy players to improve the team. Capello is limited in what he can do, he has a pool of resources and he cannot physically expand it as Redknapp can.

Why is it that Capello should go for going out of the World Cup? Were you calling for the axe to fall on Redknapp when you went out of the League Cup?

I cannot follow the logic in that, especially as you end your post acknowledging that England have improved under him, or at least that is my interpretation, so why must he go?

We are 2th of the world

Well done fella, I was hoping it would be third time lucky. I was also hoping Van Bommel would bag the first goal on a seriously outside bet but hey-ho, neither were to be.

Still, even though I am sure you are dissapointed to lose at the death like that it's a nice result in the grander scheme of things.

[Punx0r]

one advantage, no vuvuzela's anymore.

I'm hoping to see "promotional whistles" for the next world cup

[Limecat]

one advantage, no vuvuzela's anymore.

I'm hoping to see "promotional whistles" for the next world cup

Next one is in Brazil. There is something they are famed for involving a razor, hopefully we can see half of the crowd sporting those?

[vfr16v]

Thnx m8, yeah indeed, it's pity, because if we had won, it was one big party overhere.
But on the other side, 2th place is not bad. Always look at the bright side of life.

[radddogg]

I've used that becaus eI wanted to prove that the manager is ultimately responsible for selection and tactics so if the team does poorly then the manager is to blame, hence why they got rid of him. Another example - Spurs were rock bottom of the league under Ramos in 2008-2009 season (he also could not speak English), Harry takes over with the same players and we qualify for the champions league. Same players. Same players. Same players.Do I need to repeat myself anymore?

That's the thing though.

Ramos, failing. Redknapp improved them, hasn't won anything using initially the same players but has the chance to buy others.

McClaren, failed. Capello improved them, hasn't won anything using the same pool of players which he is stuck with.

Sack Redknapp. Sack Redknapp. He hasn't brought the Yid army the Premier League, sack him, it's his fault!

Now you're being stupid. You know what I meant, spurs couldn't win a game then turned into a top four team with the same players. Win the league? Numpty. The point I was making - as you very well know - was that the players were playing crap because of the manager and now they play good because of the new manager - just like England.

Yes, I know what you meant. You made the point that the manager has improved the team, just as I have done throughout this thread about Capello.

You used an example which further substantiates what I am saying, in both examples we are looking at VERY similar timescales in terms of time in the job but Redknapp has the virtue of more games and the ability to buy players to improve the team. Capello is limited in what he can do, he has a pool of resources and he cannot physically expand it as Redknapp can.

Why is it that Capello should go for going out of the World Cup? Were you calling for the axe to fall on Redknapp when you went out of the League Cup?

I cannot follow the logic in that, especially as you end your post acknowledging that England have improved under him, or at least that is my interpretation, so why must he go?

We are 2th of the world

Well done fella, I was hoping it would be third time lucky. I was also hoping Van Bommel would bag the first goal on a seriously outside bet but hey-ho, neither were to be.

Still, even though I am sure you are dissapointed to lose at the death like that it's a nice result in the grander scheme of things.

This is just boring now - I'm out. Regardless of management we will improve due to the departure of the gerrard/lampard combo Long live Capello.

[Limecat]

Radddogg, quitting is for losers who don't want to smoke.

Come back and fight me you tart. I will bite your legs off.

[Punx0r]

one advantage, no vuvuzela's anymore.

I'm hoping to see "promotional whistles" for the next world cup

Next one is in Brazil. There is something they are famed for involving a razor, hopefully we can see half of the crowd sporting those?

According to Top Gear they're known as "Hitlers" in Brazil

[Limecat]

one advantage, no vuvuzela's anymore.

I'm hoping to see "promotional whistles" for the next world cup

Next one is in Brazil. There is something they are famed for involving a razor, hopefully we can see half of the crowd sporting those?

According to Top Gear they're known as "Hitlers" in Brazil

Gas the owners so they don't say no. Win, win scenario in my eyes.

[radddogg]

Radddogg, quitting is for losers who don't want to smoke.

Come back and fight me you tart. I will bite your legs off.

[Limecat]

[noonan mckane]

Gorn Espana. Worthy champions.

Did I see someone call Spurs the 'yid army' up there?

Classy.

[radddogg]

Did I see someone call Spurs the 'yid army' up there?

Classy.

I don't think so, may have missed it. TBH Spurs fans call themselves Yid Army anyway, I've even joined in the chant and I'm atheist It's not really derogatory, is it?