SCOTLAND'S SHAME

noonan mckane · Post by **noonan mckane** » Sat May 21, 2011 12:51 am

You'll have heard, I've no doubt, about the recent campaign of terror being waged against the manager of Celtic FC, Neil Lennon.

Neil, and his family, have been subjected to the most disgraceful and coarse abuse ever since he signed for Celtic, for around £6 million from Leicester City in 2000. While he played for Leicester, he had become captain of the Northern Ireland team. After signing for Celtic, a phone call to Windsor Park, Belfast, on the evening of an international match warned that if Neil took the field that night he would be shot. Neil and his dad (who'd been hoping to see his son captaining his national side) had to be smuggled out of the stadium, and Neil spirited back to the safety(!!!!) of Glasgow in the wee small hours.

He gets bullets posted to him. He gets parcel bombs posted to him. Last week, a man ran onto the touchline at Tynecastle as Celtic played Hearts and punched him. As the police dragged his assailant away up the tunnel, he (the assailant) was cheered to the rafters by the Hearts fans.

What has Neil Lennon done to deserve this?, you might ask. Well, the bottom line is he's a catholic. Worse than that, he's an Irish catholic. Rangers supporters will not tolerate Scottish or Irish catholics. (It's at this point that I should state that there is no proof that any of the attempts to kill Neil Lennon have been made by Rangers supporters. Strathclyde Police arrested 2 men in Ayrshire in connection with the parcel bombs.)
Amazingly, you can still find plenty of folk who believe that Neil 'brings it on himself'. Neil can be lippy, yes. But how does questioning a few refereeing decisions justify attempting to kill or maim a chap?

Before Celtic's last league match, at Celtic Park last Sunday, a huge banner was rolled down the Celtic end which read: "I am Neil Lennon. We are all Neil Lennon".
As if the Celtic support were asking 'Have you got 60,000 parcel bombs? For everybody in this stadium? Have you got 10 million parcel bombs? For every Celtic supporter on earth? Because you'll need 'em."

Neil Lennon will lead Celtic out at Hampden tomorrow afternoon, and win us the Scottish Cup.

And I'll be standing right beside him.

black_sunrise · Post by **black_sunrise** » Sat May 21, 2011 12:57 am

+1

I think its tinky winky disgraceful tbh... hes done NOTHING.

But then again, i hate religion, pretty much all of it. I believe that without religion this world would be so much of a better place. No more war, no more fighting, no more petty arguments...

just get on with life and live it for what it is, dont listen to some invisible tinky winky idiot in the sky who doesnt exist!

Post by **Punx0r** » Sat May 21, 2011 1:30 am

I'm sorry, but I just don't care.

People getting tribal over football is rediculous. People getting tribal over religion is rediculous. Ram those two together and I just despair for the future of humanity.

Allanwarnock · Post by **Allanwarnock** » Sat May 21, 2011 2:14 am

WATP

Pinkie15 · Post by **Pinkie15** » Sat May 21, 2011 10:14 pm

Punx0r wrote:I'm sorry, but I just don't care.

People getting tribal over football is rediculous. People getting tribal over religion is rediculous. Ram those two together and I just despair for the future of humanity.

Sorry, but the tribalism in football is strong (especially in Scotland IMO). Rangers/Celtic, Hearts/Hibs, rightly or wrongly perceived as divided down religious lines, Rangers & Hearts traditional Anglican supporters, Celtic/Hibs traditionally Catholic, think of NI troubles.

I'm a Hearts fan, but personally find the behaviour of that fan stupid beyond belief.

Mr Lennon (and his family) have done nothing wrong (as far as I know) except be born in N Ireland and be Catholic.

Seem to recall Mr E Irvine received death threats when he mentioned he might request R of Ireland's nat anthem to be played when he won races driving for Ferrari.

rovermadman4825 · Post by **rovermadman4825** » Sat May 21, 2011 10:39 pm

FFS its FOOTBALL I dont get how people get so worked up about it

The only thing that anoyes me about football is the amount they get paid

and lads in afgan should get foot ballers wages whilst their, their

Pinkie15 · Post by **Pinkie15** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:00 pm

rovermadman4825 wrote:FFS its FOOTBALL I dont get how people get so worked up about it

If you get Bill Shankly's infamous quote, then you sort of understand where some of this comes from. If you don't, you won't.

rovermadman4825 wrote:The only thing that anoyes me about football is the amount they get paid and lads in afgan should get foot ballers wages whilst their, their

Second that

Post by **Punx0r** » Sat May 21, 2011 11:04 pm

Pinkie15 wrote:Sorry, but the tribalism in football is strong (especially in Scotland IMO). Rangers/Celtic, Hearts/Hibs, rightly or wrongly perceived as divided down religious lines, Rangers & Hearts traditional Anglican supporters, Celtic/Hibs traditionally Catholic, think of NI troubles.

I know. IIRC there is a supporters club for both Rangers and Celtic in Corby. Everyone else finds it bemusing that there's a religious split in society (nevermind sport) outside of the 17th century or Northern Ireland.

My understanding of the divide in NI is that each religion merely represents the indigenous folk and the invaders/would-be overlords.

The whole sorry state of affairs is deeply saddening. It's just remarkably retarded in our modern age.

radddogg · Post by **radddogg** » Sun May 22, 2011 1:02 am

rovermadman4825 wrote:FFS its FOOTBALL I dont get how people get so worked up about it

The only thing that anoyes me about football is the amount they get paid and lads in afgan should get foot ballers wages whilst their, their

Hahahahaha what a load of crap.

noodles-zs · Post by **noodles-zs** » Sun May 22, 2011 1:35 am

radddogg wrote:
rovermadman4825 wrote:FFS its FOOTBALL I dont get how people get so worked up about it

The only thing that anoyes me about football is the amount they get paid and lads in afgan should get foot ballers wages whilst their, their
Hahahahaha what a load of crap.

so you have never been to glasgow or afganisatan then.....

rovermadman4825 · Post by **rovermadman4825** » Sun May 22, 2011 1:34 pm

radddogg wrote:
rovermadman4825 wrote:FFS its FOOTBALL I dont get how people get so worked up about it

The only thing that anoyes me about football is the amount they get paid and lads in afgan should get foot ballers wages whilst their, their
Hahahahaha what a load of crap.

FUKC OFF you scooter riding fairy

do you want to come for a walk in the green zone

fergy7197 · Post by **fergy7197** » Sun May 22, 2011 2:05 pm

Punx0r wrote:I'm sorry, but I just don't care.

People getting tribal over football is rediculous. People getting tribal over religion is rediculous. Ram those two together and I just despair for the future of humanity.

absolutely spot on.

I was brought up a catholic, in a very catholic area of lanarkshire, I went to a catholic school, and all my friends were celtic through and through. But I no longer practise and it doesnt bother me what religion anyone is!!

It never intrested me, never has never will, why do I want to watch a bunch of overpaid morons kick a ball about a park? especially when religion gets involved too, we are all human beings.

yet we seem to get these die hard, seemingly very religious celtic and rangers fans, giving the usual, "no surrender" and various sectarian chants on both sides.

what occurs to me is that the people who are the worst, are the people that dot even know the difference between a catholic and a protestant and they dont know even know why they hate each other.

Generations of religious, bigoted, hatred, ignorance and poor education.

I feel ashamed to come from glasgow.

If these morons spent more time educating their children properly and teaching them some proper values, instead of telling them u have to hate tims, or hate huns, our country would be a better place!

Dave_ZS · Post by **Dave_ZS** » Sun May 22, 2011 8:16 pm

Allanwarnock wrote:WATP

+1

Roboscot · Post by **Roboscot** » Sun May 22, 2011 10:06 pm

fergy7197 wrote:Generations of religious, bigoted, hatred, ignorance and poor education.

Absolutely spot on

tyke71 · Post by **tyke71** » Sun May 22, 2011 10:43 pm

Raddog your a disgrace. I have total respect towards our forces and if our forces should be in Afghan or not, they have a very hard job to do.Much as i love football, no player should be getting that money for playing football over what our armed forces risk. If it wasn't for our grandfathers and great grandfathers we wouldn't be here today. Have some respect! Also using religion as an excuse for fighting is stupid and i wonder how many of those fans goto church? Saying that if it wasn't religion they was using as an excuse they would use race or region areas for trouble. When you look back in history Church of England/Scotland still decend from Catholic, as it was King Henry VIII who changed the religion to suit his self from the pope. Still found it hard to see all the troubles these days with religion has i am Church of England and my wife his Catholic and both familys don't argue about religion. Saying that if Celtic/Rangers or Hearts/Hibs didn't use religion as an excuse they would be like every other club in Britain that uses a firm for a excuse to fight and i have been in that scene and left it well behind now in my past.

harland292 · Post by **harland292** » Sun May 22, 2011 10:57 pm

tyke71 wrote:Raddog your a disgrace. I have total respect towards our forces and if our forces should be in Afghan or not, they have a very hard job to do.Much as i love football, no player should be getting that money for playing football over what our armed forces risk. If it wasn't for our grandfathers and great grandfathers we wouldn't be here today. Have some respect! Also using religion as an excuse for fighting is stupid and i wonder how many of those fans goto church? Saying that if it wasn't religion they was using as an excuse they would use race or region areas for trouble. When you look back in history Church of England/Scotland still decend from Catholic, as it was King Henry VIII who changed the religion to suit his self from the pope. Still found it hard to see all the troubles these days with religion has i am Church of England and my wife his Catholic and both familys don't argue about religion. Saying that if Celtic/Rangers or Hearts/Hibs didn't use religion as an excuse they would be like every other club in Britain that uses a firm for a excuse to fight and i have been in that scene and left it well behind now in my past.

Agree..

Hit on the nail... Well said

radddogg · Post by **radddogg** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:47 am

Thanks guys, I fed the bait and you took it.

Thanks for wasting the time posting those walls of text which I will not waste my time reading.

So let's go through the economics of this....

Every member of the armed forces should be paid 100k per week.

No, that's not a load of crap is it?

Who is going to fund this?

Let's cut the crap here, money makes the world go round. ALL of the conflicts our troops are involved in are down to money in one way or another. Our armed forces are supposed to be to protect our country so why are they in third world countries fighting men on camels? As I said, money.

Football drives a huge part of the global economy, in fact many sports do, hence the best players can command what we see as ridiculous wages. The same goes for hollywood movie stars but I don't see you all bashing them??????

Maybe the troops aren't paid great, I don't know, but what I do know is that they get paid for what THEY SIGNED UP FOR. No-one forced them to do it.

I suppose we should completely fock the economy up by overpaying firmen, police, ambulance drivers, doctors, nurses, teachers,tree surgesons etc because they have a noble or dangerous job?

Try keeping your emotions in check, your hands off your penises and your inaccurate/immature insults to yourselves before you spout nonsense in future.

Cheers.

Post by **Punx0r** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:37 am

radddogg wrote:Who is going to fund this?

Supertax on footballers' wages?

Where's the money in Afghanistan? All they've got AFAIK is sun, sand (lots) and the odd bit of heroin...

noonan mckane · Post by **noonan mckane** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:37 am

Allanwarnock wrote:WATP

That's 'We Are The People', right? I believe it's a slogan used by Rangers supporters.

I don't know if you've maybe just skimmed over it, but my wee post wasn't about football. It was more about barbarism. The fact that I am a Celtic supporter isn't relevant.

Or....could you be that callous, that uncivilised, that ignorant, that you couldn't resist telling us that you are 'the people'?

What 'people' exactly? (I know. Rangers supporters. It was rhetorical.) 'People' who think it's acceptable to threaten and abuse and terrorise a person you don't know, have never met (and if you did ever meet, one to one, and he offered his hand for you to shake you WOULD shake it, you know you would. You wouldn't try to execute him for being a traitor, because that wouldn't seem so important if it were just you and he, with none of the other 'people' around you) and has done you no harm.

Everyone who's chipped in here has went more or less the same road: It's wrong, it's childish, it's a bit daft, it would be funny if it wasn't so grim etc etc. Except you. You chose to go with 'we are the people'. You had "I support Rangers and strongly dislike Celtic but draw the line at attempting to kill their manager", or "Hey, it's only a game and Rangers are better at it than Celtic" or even just keeping it totally buttoned as options, but went with 'we are the people'.

Maybe you are 'the people', I don't know. I'm fairly sure you're not, though. The "People"; 'we', 'us', are generally broad, broadly generous, essentially kind, instinctively decent and all of us somebody's son or somebody's daughter and none of us here for longer than the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. Be human.

Increase the peace.

tyke71 · Post by **tyke71** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:59 am

We are not saying that the armed forces and emergency services should be paid £100,000 pw just that footballers should be paid £1,000 pw. But like everything in the world, it's driven by money.

radddogg · Post by **radddogg** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:53 am

tyke71 wrote:We are not saying that the armed forces and emergency services should be paid £100,000 pw just that footballers should be paid £1,000 pw. But like everything in the world, it's driven by money.

That's my point, I'm not knocking the forces, far from it, I just had to pull up that ridiculous comment about wages.

Punx supertax on footballers wages? Get real

noodles-zs · Post by **noodles-zs** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:11 am

Let's cut the crap here, money makes the world go round. ALL of the conflicts our troops are involved in are down to money in one way or another. Our armed forces are supposed to be to protect our country so why are they in third world countries fighting men on camels? As I said, money.

The camel riding third world suicide bombers want to f**k our s**t up! they have been blowing s**t up consistently for the past 10 years or have you been to busy playing xbox to notice?

we took the fight to them! the war they started!

Bikernut · Post by **Bikernut** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:28 am

WTF has Afganistan and war got to do with Scotland and its football "fans"?

rovex · Post by **rovex** » Mon May 23, 2011 12:40 pm

Its supply and demand unfortunately. They get paid what they do because the public are willing to pay silly ticket prices and silly monthly fees to Sky.

Post by **Punx0r** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:17 pm

radddogg wrote:
Punx supertax on footballers wages? Get real

Perhaps I should have put in sarcasm tags

Nom · Post by **Nom** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:28 pm

noodles-zs wrote:
Let's cut the crap here, money makes the world go round. ALL of the conflicts our troops are involved in are down to money in one way or another. Our armed forces are supposed to be to protect our country so why are they in third world countries fighting men on camels? As I said, money.
The camel riding third world suicide bombers want to f**k our s**t up! they have been blowing s**t up consistently for the past 10 years or have you been to busy playing xbox to notice?

we took the fight to them! the war they started!

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The USA and UK governments have been exploiting Arab dictators for the last 60 years, stabilising and destabilising countries/governments as they see fit. This is one of the reasons why Islamic extremism has become popular.
Have you never seen the film 'Lawrence of Arabia' ?

radddogg · Post by **radddogg** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:44 pm

noodles-zs wrote:
Let's cut the crap here, money makes the world go round. ALL of the conflicts our troops are involved in are down to money in one way or another. Our armed forces are supposed to be to protect our country so why are they in third world countries fighting men on camels? As I said, money.
The camel riding third world suicide bombers want to f**k our s**t up! they have been blowing s**t up consistently for the past 10 years or have you been to busy playing xbox to notice?

we took the fight to them! the war they started!

May I ask, are you American?

noodles-zs wrote:have you been to busy playing xbox to notice?

Affirmative! That and starting a family. Two things (among many) that concern me more than some mercenary war in the desert.

noodles-zs wrote:we took the fight to them! the war they started!

noodles-zs · Post by **noodles-zs** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:56 pm

I have never seen that film no.

so does that justifie islamic extremism.... emm no!

no matter what your views, religion or what football team you support there is no justification for the actions of extrimests!

yes radders well done im sure i have already said on here i am American but im pretty sure there have been terrorist attacks here in the UK recently.......

radddogg · Post by **radddogg** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:01 pm

noodles-zs wrote:yes radders well done im sure i have already said on here i am American but im pretty sure there have been terrorist attacks here in the UK recently.......

Not slating you for it, it just makes sense now.

I'd be pi55ed if 9/11 happened here.

noodles-zs · Post by **noodles-zs** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:04 pm

7/7 attacks

Roboscot · Post by **Roboscot** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:33 pm

Punx0r wrote:
radddogg wrote:
Punx supertax on footballers wages? Get real
Perhaps I should have put in sarcasm tags

I think the 50% they are taxed already would be super enough for most people lol

But yeah as said, the fans who fund the game are willing to pay for it. Maybe if the top players earned 50k a year we could all go and watch chelsea for a fiver.

Nom · Post by **Nom** » Mon May 23, 2011 2:42 pm

noodles-zs wrote:I have never seen that film no.

so does that justifie islamic extremism.... emm no!

no matter what your views, religion or what football team you support there is no justification for the actions of extrimests!

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No, I didn't say that, but I find governments who kill in other countries by edict as offensive as terrorists.
A small part of the historic meddling in Arabic affairs was well illustrated within the film.

rovex · Post by **rovex** » Mon May 23, 2011 3:23 pm

Im having such an argument on another site about religious extremism. The problem is they claim their god is beyond scientific measure and exempt from proof (transient reality). As such anything can be justified in that gods name because we cant prove its not what he/she/it wants. Its why religion is dangerous. It doesnt matter whether your beliefs are benevolent or not, belief is in itself dangerous, because it makes you susceptible to extremism.

chiefgilray · Post by **chiefgilray** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:55 pm

Lets be honest here... the only thing that gets Scottish league football noticed is the sectarianism, our crap league full of under achieving players and dark ages football talents get us nothing. The only thing we have left is our passion with the international team. The twins Marco and Flavio Paixao who played for Hamilton got it spot on about Scottish football, all tough tackling no technical skill.

Aberdeen fans are the worst sometimes as they'll hate a player cause he plays for rangers, even if he does the heroics for scotland, so its not even just Hearts, Hibs, Rangers and Celtic. Its an embarrassment if I'm honest!

chiefgilray · Post by **chiefgilray** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:01 pm

p.p.s.

Its not 'Scotlands shame' its Scottish football's shame, we have alot going for us... bar 'the scheme' on tv.

If Neil Lennon wasn't an erse he'd be more popular but thats the way we are, talk out of turn ye'll get leathered

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