power

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:05 pm

how much power does a rover 41 bubble shape have

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:55 pm

414 or 416?

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:19 pm

sorry i am tired a 416

-Alex- · Post by **-Alex-** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:33 pm

About 110bhp?

1.4 K-series from a Metro GTi may be your best bet? Or 1800 VVC

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:42 pm

i don't want a vvc as i aint got money to just check at the tro
i don't want a 1400 as i want a bigger engine
so it has to be a 1600 or a 1800 non vvc
and i need somew one to fit it for me

-Alex- · Post by **-Alex-** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:45 pm

OK mate

If you don't mind me asking, why do you want a bigger engine? The Metro GTi engine I believe is available in 103bhp trim? And they are great little engines. I do admit I have never been in any 416 of any form to compare this to though. Would probably be an easier install too? (Not sure, but I don't recall a 1600 Metro from the factory)

I think Scott enjoyed his time recently with a Metro GTi?

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:48 pm

i want somthing different as alot of people get the 1400 16v engine so i thought a 1600 engine and i like the sound of a rover 116 gsi lol and i was tald it was easier to tune a 1600 and a 1800 and u get more torque from the bigger engine

-Alex- · Post by **-Alex-** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:51 pm

OK mate no worries it's your project, but I do just love the GTi engine revving it's heart out. Is the engine itself lighter too? (I honestly don't know)

If you are going to mod the 1.6 or 1.8 in any real radical manner (as well as being a transplant) the insurance may well be the same as a VVC one in the first place (worth checking).

Good lucky buddy

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:55 pm

i can't get insurance on a vvc but i can with a 1600 or 1800 as the vvc is classed as a high performance and the other 2 aint

-Alex- · Post by **-Alex-** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:59 pm

chris_evz wrote:i can't get insurance on a vvc but i can with a 1600 or 1800 as the vvc is classed as a high performance and the other 2 aint

Quite correct, but if you are modding those engines heavily to get big gains the insurance may slap you about

- as I said I've no idea but I had a mate who whacked a turbo engine into a Primera eGT and the insurance was cheaper than the NA spec he was running before (hot-shot header, mappable ECU, some crazy cams). It's just worth checking that's all

Who are you considering to do the install for you mate? There was no-one round here at all when I was looking for people to work on the Maestro, and that was simple work that I could have done myself given a Haynes, a jug of tea and half a day.

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:02 pm

i dunno who is doing the work
but i am looking for soem one with the knolege to do it for me
and i aint modding to heavily only slight changes
like filter
my exhaust
and mayb a decat

-Alex- · Post by **-Alex-** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:52 pm

Good luck with it mate it's up to you

Not sure if you'll need a new g/box etc.?

I would AVOID two "engine specialists" in Ely personally - they may be OK for other people but I wouldn't touch them with a large bargepole.

One took 7 weeks to fit my new O-series pistons (which I supplied), didn't trace any of the faults I told them about and didn't replace any of the other items I specifically requested and supplied - as well as leaving the carb-balance pipe in tatters and not realising it (I don't know how). The other have mangled a mates engine inside a day, before realising they didn't have access to parts to repair their own mistake.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:01 pm

Get the tools, and do it yourself.

unless you want to pay big bucks, dont expect to drop the car off anywhere, and pick it up, all fine and dandy, with no problems, engines switched over...

Especially since your putting a bigger engine in an already modified car, any garage is going to see this as an open job, and endless pit for you to drop your money into...

Whats to stop you doing it yourself? luckily the metro is small enough to fit in a garage and still be workable, not like a bastid 800...

will-220GSiTurbo · Post by **will-220GSiTurbo** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:07 pm

ive got a decent 1800 block mated to a pg1 box i could sell you??

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:09 pm

i need some one in my area
or some one off this site

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:11 pm

if i buy ure block i still need the head inlet exhaust manifold and downpipe
so it will work out more expensive than getting the 1600

-Alex- · Post by **-Alex-** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:16 pm

http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm ... eriesf.htm good info

Sheaf · Post by **Sheaf** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:30 pm

If you're going through the hassle/expense of changing the engine, may as well make it a 1.8 - the 1.6 is only marginally more powerful (7bhp ish), so seems a bit pointless IMO. The 1.8 is 17bhp up, and can be tuned to over 130bhp reasonably easily, so seems the best compromise of cost/hassle IMO if you dont want to go VVC.

Although.... it may be worth considering a 1.8T? 160bhp I think.

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:46 pm

where can i get a decient 1.8

Grant620 · Post by **Grant620** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:42 am

The 1.6 is a very good choice IMO.
Top level tunes of 1.6 and 1.8 are very close.

gav2pac · Post by **gav2pac** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:34 am

if i remember back in the performance metro club days, a few members used 1.6's and rathered it over the 1.8's as it was more rev happy

Post by **Punx0r** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:39 pm

The 1.8 is a longer stroke...

I think the inlet/exaust manifolds are the same for 1.4/1.6/1.8? So you may just be able to swap whatever bits you need from your current 1.4

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:28 pm

no i won't i got a 8v 1.4

barber · Post by **barber** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:30 pm

he has a 1.4 8v (~80bhp)

so a 1.6 16valve (~110bhp) is obviously worth it for 30+ bhp.

also, its no easier or harder to fit either 16v engine, so you might as well have the +7 more bhp over the metro gti engine...

also to whoever said its heavier, its not, same head, but 200 cc's more combustion chamber in block = marginly lighter infact!

not a lot, but some!

1600 is easier on insurance obviously, and a 1.8 only has 10 more bhp anyway, a lot of people prefer the way a 1600 drives also because its 'more revvy' though... but im not really in agreement with people over this... its more revvy?

put it in gear and we'll see who's is more revvy then, a 1.8 will reach higher revs than the 1600 faster... so in what way is it more revvy?

gav2pac · Post by **gav2pac** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:59 pm

i think the 1.8 makes more torque low down the revs, and the 1.6 makes more torque higher?

sure someone else can give a better answer lol

chris_evz · Post by **chris_evz** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:07 pm

if i can find a 1800 for the same price as the 1600 i will get the 1800 as i aint spending more than Â£100 for a new engine

MGTurbo · Post by **MGTurbo** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:43 pm

chris_evz wrote:if i can find a 1800 for the same price as the 1600 i will get the 1800 as i aint spending more than Â£100 for a new engine

You'll be very lucky to find a 1.8 lump for Â£100 quid...

Having driven both engines (albeit different cars) the 1.8 is a little gruffer in nature with a very flat torque curve, it pulls much better than you would imagine, the 1.6 doesnt have the same feel but revs sweeter and flat out, veyr little difference in performance.

Go for a 1.8, you wont regret it, but you'll be looking at at least Â£300 for a decent one, they are getting harder to find as more and more suffer from HGF and if they overheat once due to HGF and the head has been skimmed more than once, your looking at needing a replacement head as they go 'soft'.

barber · Post by **barber** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:01 pm

i brought my 18,000 miles lotus elise s2 engine (1.8 k series) for Â£350 with all ancilliaries, 6 months ago... that was a good price at the time, that bunch is still worth Â£400-Â£450 for the mileage on it alone.

you get what you pay for, 100 quid will be a knacker unless you really do stumble upon a bargain.

I have been in 1600's too, and it just feels like a very different engine to me... even though they have similar power, a 1.8 is much more grunty and torquey... i think when people say a 1600 is rev happy, they mean you have to revv the bother out of it! (which sounds very nice!) but in reality a 1.8 makes for a better drive, its got power all across the rev range in any gear,
let it go in 5th from 40 and by the time your hitting 60 its pulling like a train!

puts a right smile on your face and doesn't make you feel the need to drive like a chupa chup, or rev the engine too high

edited to say: i love the swear filter over here!