800 V 600

RobTi · Post by **RobTi** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:21 pm

Brother has a 600 on a m plate it seems a lot more cramped in the front than my 620 p plate so he was looking at getting a 800 vittese any one sat in both and can compare, also an you get a vittese turbo and auto box.
thanks

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:45 pm

In my opinion there aint masses more room in the front of an 800. There is marginally more room for feet and maybe a little more head room but we are talking little amounts. Both are rather cramped in the back too.

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:01 am

Just because a car is longer / wider does not mean that the extra length equates to more room for the occupants.

The internal space for the occupants espically up front is not that much bigger on 800. The design of the 800 is quite wastefull in terms of how big the car is to the amount of interior space (the 600 to but to a lesser extent).

ScottC · Post by **ScottC** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:05 am

Went in a P plate 600 today, can say for certain there is a lot more room in my 800, especially the back..... knees were almost touching the back of the drivers seat as i sat in the back, whereas in my 800 even with the drivers seat full back I have over 4 inches of knee clearance.....

IMO the front is a different ball game too, way more elbow room for starters.....

Scott

marko · Post by **marko** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:13 am

800 has loads more headroom IME.

Not particularly wasteful of space TBH - the 600 may be pretty similar up front but is tight in the back and has a small boot. For the same driver; 600 is MUCH tighter in the back for full-size people. Sierra vs Granada, or 5-Series vs SWB 7-Series type difference.

Narrow car too the 800 - thanks to the shared jap roots and odd jap tax rules IIRC; can fit it though unexpectedly narrow gaps, much to the annoyance of new MINI drivers, heh!

Handling of the 'std' models is not up to much though; need a vitesse sport or '96 onwards vitesse if you want to punt it around any. 600 is a newer chassis and shows in this respect, even the 'cooking' 600s are reasonable.

If automatic 2.0 turbos were an option then good luck finding one - I've yet to see one. Stay away from 2.0 automatics as they are slower and less fuel-efficient than the 2.7 automatics thanks to a shoddy ZF autobox. 2.5 KV6s are sweet engines and better on fuel than the Honda 2.7s, but best described as 'not reliable' to be polite. If you want automatic you want one of the last of the 2.7 autos.

sharky · Post by **sharky** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:24 am

lol, sterling2.7 are you trying to get your post count up or something?

roverturbo · Post by **roverturbo** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:49 am

ermmm he is "pissed"

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:50 am

Id say 800 is roomier.

If not in leg room, theres certainly more space between the people, just much classier. and as for boot space, well, i could fit a 600 in there

Down to personal taste though. go find a nackered 800 in a scrapper and sit in it, see if it impresses lol!

sharky · Post by **sharky** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:52 am

roverturbo wrote:ermmm he is "pissed"

thats what i was thinking

i have to admit that the 600 is very cramped in the back... considering the size of the car!

Grant620 · Post by **Grant620** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:30 am

I'd say - show me a track - no in fact, show me a corner. I'll show you how to get round it.
600 wins hands down.
We won't even go into build quality - ie dashboards peeling themselves away, etc

GeraintUK · Post by **GeraintUK** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:59 am

I like the 800,,,,,,,,,,i really do, and i do agree about the leg room in the back is not what it could be in a 600.

But........

I don't sit in the back

and the 600 does look much more modern with it's Accord roots etc.

The 800 is a fine cruiser, but the 600 I can throw around on normal roads, whereas the 800 is a tad to big for that.

Sheaf · Post by **Sheaf** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:10 am

Tell him to buy a new 5dr honda civic... there's more room inside that than there is in my parents volvo 740. Very odd, seeing as the car isn't that big.

Post by **SubCat001** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:20 pm

The 600 is a newer car and dynamicaly superior. But there no doubting the road presence an 800 gives you. I think its down to preference. Best bet is try one out.

Sheaf wrote:Tell him to buy a new 5dr honda civic... there's more room inside that than there is in my parents volvo 740. Very odd, seeing as the car isn't that big.

If its all about room Maxi's are still class leading.

syzsounds · Post by **syzsounds** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:18 pm

Grant620 wrote:I'd say - show me a track - no in fact, show me a corner. I'll show you how to get round it.
600 wins hands down.
We won't even go into build quality - ie dashboards peeling themselves away, etc

Agreed ...even mention a corner at any speed to an 800 and it recoils in horror ....( must be something you can do about that )
Build quality ??......only been in a couple ..and i thought they were ok for old-ish cars .....better than ford anyway

just my opinion

mach1rob · Post by **mach1rob** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:28 am

Having owned both, I agree with Big G!

The 800 is a wallower, where the 600 feels much more nimble.

Yes, perhaps the 600 has a better build quality, but the 800 dash is easily sorted

The 800 offers good VFM! Look at the price of say an M reg 600 and see what 800 you could get! At least 3 years newer, and much higher spec'd (probably! :wink:

)

Definatly more room in the back of an 800 than a 600, and the boot is bigger too. Elbow room? Don't think there's much in it

daz500 · Post by **daz500** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:45 am

ScottC wrote:Went in a P plate 600 today, can say for certain there is a lot more room in my 800, especially the back..... knees were almost touching the back of the drivers seat as i sat in the back, whereas in my 800 even with the drivers seat full back I have over 4 inches of knee clearance.....

IMO the front is a different ball game too, way more elbow room for starters.....

Scott

you go for a test drive and the first thing you check out is the room in the back :shock:

where do your priorities lie :wink:

GeraintUK · Post by **GeraintUK** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:49 am

theres enough space for my battery and my exhaust backbox in the backseat area,,,,so it's plenty for my requirements

he he

radddogg · Post by **radddogg** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:37 am

To the people who are slating the 800's handling.....have you driven a vitesse sport.

That LSD pulls it round corners like nobody's business and with 225/45/17's there's bags of grip too. Not too hot at taking off but once you're in second it's actually very competent.

Something I've noticed from reading this whole thread though is that 600 owners are bigging up 600's and 800 owners are bigging up 800's...I suppose it's called human nature...look after your own.

Best thing to do is drive both and make your own mind up....ignore everyone on here.

GeraintUK · Post by **GeraintUK** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:32 am

i have driven several vitesses,,,,like i said,,,nice car but the 600 has commonly been acknowledged as the best overall chassis for the T16 powerplant in many reviews i read before ever purchasing one.

I still beleive that to be the case.

radddogg · Post by **radddogg** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:12 pm

GeraintUK wrote:i have driven several vitesses,,,,like i said,,,nice car but the 600 has commonly been acknowledged as the best overall chassis for the T16 powerplant in many reviews i read before ever purchasing one.

I still beleive that to be the case.

Sorry, I wasn't saying the vitesse is better. The Ti is a smaller lighter car so will no doubt be nimbler. I was saying that the vitesse isn't bad like people were saying. I think it handles better than ther cars in its class.

If you want to buy a car purely on handling then the Ti is a better buy but it is the overall package you need to consider....VFM, comfort, spec, handling, reliability etc

vitesseturbo · Post by **vitesseturbo** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:43 pm

i disagree with what your saying about handling on the 800, with my adjustable konis, and lower springs my 800 out handles most hot hatch`s, but it is all about what he wants the 800 or 600 to do

mach1rob · Post by **mach1rob** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:31 pm

Yes I agree, uprate the 800 suspension, and it's vastly improved, but as standard, the 600 is much more 'chuckable'!

WayneH · Post by **WayneH** » Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:08 pm

Being just over 6ft 2in, the headroom is not as good in the 600 as I would like (similar case with the 800). I find that if I am sitting up straight I need to angle my head into the sunroof to avoid touching the headlining. This never used to worry me but since hurting my back badly at work last year I have to worry about my posture nowadays.

Unfortunately, this is the one thing that will make me want to sell the car one day. I have been in the new A4s and Passats and the headroom is much better for me.

Sorry not really related to the 800v600 debate but just an observation.